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A quick guide to asset classes

One of the most fun things about managing your own investments is coming up with an asset allocation strategy to diversify your portfolio. You get to tinker like an alchemist to find a blend of asset classes that will weather the inevitable financial storms ahead – and hopefully someday leave you dancing upon the sunlit plains of financial independence.

So what asset classes make suitable straw for your passive investing nest?

The main asset classes

In this post I’ll run through the most important asset classes you need to know about as a passive investor, highlighting the pros and cons of each.

Main asset classes

The main asset classes will already be familiar to many Monevator readers, of course.

However it’s always useful to have a frame of reference – especially as the investing world can rarely agree on a single definition for anything!

Cash

Filthy lucre, spondoolicks, the root of all evil… We’re all familiar with money, though perhaps not as much as we’d like to be.

The simplicity and familiarity of cash is one of its biggest advantages, but excessive devotion to it can be the undoing of the cautious investor:

A chart showing UK money market real total returns 1870-2024

Data from JST Macrohistory1 and Heriot-Watt/ Institute and Faculty of Actuaries/ESCoE British Government Securities Database. February 2025

Good

  • You normally can’t suffer a capital loss with cash (but do pay attention to your financial protections in the face of a bank failure).
  • Cash is liquid like water. If you lose your job and need some food or rent, your cash reserves can quickly be converted to satisfy whatever need is at hand.

Bad

  • Cash will be clobbered by inflation over time. £100 will only be worth £74 in ten years, if the ongoing inflation rate matches the historical average of around 3%. Another 20 years of that and £100 will only be worth £55. (So chase decent interest rates to at least offset inflation!)
  • Cash can lose value even more quickly during periods of high inflation. 
  • Historically, cash has earned the lowest returns of the major asset classes.

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = Low
  • Reward = Low

Note: the risk/reward trade-offs in this article describe the expected trade-off based upon the historical returns of each asset class. Actual risks and returns can turn out very differently.

Time horizon

Cash is useful over any time frame, but you are likely to get poor slowly if you hold excessive amounts over the long term. Spicier investment options are needed to achieve most financial goals.

More on cash

Nominal bonds

Bonds are I.O.U.s issued by an entity such as a company or government. In exchange for your loan, the bond issuer will pay you a guaranteed stream of interest over the loan period, plus you’ll get your original stake back after an agreed number of years. (Unless the issuer defaults, that is).

Passive investors should only concern themselves with investment-grade bonds, and there are strong arguments to restrict your portfolio allocation solely to high-quality government bonds. Doing so limits your exposure to the risk of default. High quality means a bond with a credit rating of AA- and above (or Aa3 in Moody’s system).

A nominal bond pays interest at a fixed rate – e.g. 2% or 3% or whatever – just like a savings account. The original loan amount (the principal) is also paid back as a fixed sum. Say £100 a bond.

This contrasts with index-linked bonds, whose equivalent cashflows are adjusted for inflation. Such inflation-linking is a highly valuable feature. We’ll come back to it in the index-linked bond section below. 

A chart showing UK government bond real total returns 1870-2024

Data from JST Macrohistory2 and FTSE Russell. February 2025

Good

  • Government bonds are much less volatile than equities.
  • Historically they’ve provided a better long-term return than cash.
  • Nominal government bonds often (but not always) rise in value when the stock market crashes. That’s the main reason ordinary investors hold them: because they help defend against terrifying falls in stock values. For example, world equities lost 38% at the height of the Global Financial Crisis. But a diversified portfolio split 60% equities and 40% UK government bonds, only lost 7%. That’s a much easier blow to cope with. 

Bad

  • Bond returns historically lag equities.

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = Lower than equities, higher than cash
  • Reward = Lower than equities, higher than cash

Time horizon

You can duration match your bond holdings to any time horizon and know exactly what your return will be, if you hold the bonds until maturity.

Sub-classes 

  • Government bonds (e.g. UK gilts, US Treasuries)
  • Corporate bonds
  • Inflation-protected bonds (e.g. index-linked gilts, TIPS)
  • Local government bonds
  • Junk bonds, i.e. high-risk bonds with terrible credit ratings

More on bonds

Equities

Equities (commonly known as stocks or shares) are historically the riskiest and best rewarded of our main asset classes.

Because equities are so risky, investors demand high potential rewards to play the game. Note that word: potential. There is no guarantee that equities will deliver; they do not provide a guarantee of income or capital. Instead, they offer part-ownership of a company and thus a claim on its future earnings.

A chart showing World equities real total returns 1900-2024

Data from JST Macrohistory3, The Big Bang4 and MSCI. February 2025

Good

  • Equities have traditionally outgunned every other asset class when it comes to long-term returns. They are the most powerful asset class in your diversified portfolio.
  • Equities are capable of outstripping inflation. World equities have historically delivered a long-run return of 6% after inflation.
  • The longer you hold equities, the better your chance of achieving your financial goals.

Bad

  • Severe losses can occur at any time and frequently do. You could easily lose 30% of your capital in a single year.
  • The highs and lows of equity ownership can feed all kinds of irrational behaviour, from panic-selling in the face of loss to piling into a bubble market. Fear and greed rule.

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = Higher than bonds, commercial property, or cash
  • Reward = Higher than bonds, commercial property, or cash

Time horizon

The longer you can hold the better. Five years is the bare minimum, 20 years is a more comfortable stretch.

Sub-classes

More on equities

Property

As an investment asset class, property (or real estate) refers to commercial property that delivers returns in the shape of rent and the appreciation of building values. It doesn’t refer to your house.

Exposure to commercial property is generally achieved through ETFs or real-estate investment trusts (REITS).

In contrast, sticking all your money in a buy-to-let concentrates rather than diversifies your holdings, and represents a big punt on the everlasting strength of the UK residential market.

Good

  • Historically, the risk and rewards of property have been a halfway house between equities and bonds.
  • It can be a useful diversifier, although global property is strongly correlated with global equities so it’s far from vital. 

Bad

  • Property bubbles can pop and inflict large losses on funds.
  • Property is illiquid, which can lead to certain property funds (not real-estate index trackers) imposing exit restrictions on investors during periods of market stress. In other words, they can’t sell their buildings quickly if everyone wants their money back at the double.
  • UK investors tend to have a rose-tinted view of property due to the strength of the home market. However the asset class has historically lagged equities.

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = Higher than bonds or cash, but lower than equities
  • Reward = Higher than bonds or cash, but lower than equities

Time horizon

As per equities.

More on property

Commodities

Commodities investing is tricky to understand but it can be a very useful diversifying move.

Commodities of course are the raw materials that fuel commerce: cows, wheat, oil, sugar – all that good stuff. 

However there are very few opportunities for ordinary investors to bet directly on the spot market price of commodities, because not many of us can actually store several million barrels of oil.

With the exception of some precious metals like gold then, an ordinary investor’s only option is to instead invest in commodity ETFs and funds that provide exposure to the price movements of commodity future contracts5.

Commodity ETFs make their money from the spot price, trading futures contracts, and earning interest on collateral. It’s best to stick to broad commodity ETFs because they diversify across many different raw materials. 

A chart showing commodities real total returns 1934-2024

Total return data from Summerhaven6 and Bloomberg. February 2025

Good

  • Can perform in punishing conditions like stagflation when both nominal bonds and equities falter.

Bad

  • Commodity ETFs are a volatility rollercoaster – delivering huge highs and lows that can be psychologically hard to live with.
  • Bad commodity returns often show up during economic contractions when equities are under pressure. On these occasions, commodities can make portfolio returns worse at just the wrong moment. 
  • Not a beginner’s investment. It’s best to find your investing feet with more familiar assets first and to think about commodities later. 

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = Approximately the same as equities
  • Reward = Lower than equities, higher than bonds and cash

Time horizon

Commodities should be thought of purely as a portfolio diversifier. Their role is to pay off when equities and / or bonds are down. 

Sub-classes

  • Energy (e.g. oil, gas, coal)
  • Agriculture (e.g. wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, cotton, sugar, coffee, cocoa)
  • Industrial metals (e.g. aluminium, copper, zinc, rare earth metals)
  • Livestock (e.g. live cattle, feeder cattle, lean hogs)
  • Precious metals (e.g. silver, gold, platinum)

More on commodities

Gold

Gold is a commodity but it deserves its own slot on our investible asset classes list because it’s a potentially useful diversifier in its own right.

Gold is one of the simplest asset classes to understand. We all know what it is. Some of us wear it on our necks, bury it on islands, or stay up all night counting it while cackling.

The point is humans love the stuff and that’s what you’re betting on. You’re hoping that in the future someone will give you a higher price for your gold than you paid for it.

If they don’t, then you lose because gold – unlike most of the other assets on our list – doesn’t pay out any cashflow.

No interest, no dividends, no rents. Gold is just a lifeless lump of metal of limited inherent worth unless others covet it too. 

A chart showing gold GBP real returns 1900-2024

Gold GBP data from The London Bullion Market Association and Measuring Worth. February 2025

Good

  • Gold often (not always) rises in value when equities slump. That makes gold a useful counter to stock market shocks.
  • Bonds and gold are complementary defensive diversifiers. That’s because they respond differently to economic conditions, meaning that gold can sometimes ride to the rescue when bonds don’t and vice versa. 
  • Like commodities, gold can reduce portfolio volatility because it can work when equities and bonds stumble simultaneously. This is especially useful for older investors who need to protect their nest egg against all eventualities.
  • Shiny!

Bad

  • Long-run returns are difficult to gauge because gold was price-controlled for many decades. The free market era only began in the 197os. (See the sudden price spike on the chart above.)
  • There is no convincing theory that explains gold’s returns, unlike the other assets here. 
  • The gold price is subject to violent market mood swings. It’s highly unlikely to continue its hot streak indefinitely. 
  • Pirates!

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = Approximately the same as equities
  • Reward = Highly uncertain over the long term. Assume cash-like returns

Time horizon

Gold is highly unpredictable. Like commodities, it is probably best held in limited amounts as a portfolio diversifier.  

More on gold

Index-linked bonds

Index-linked bonds are a type of government bond that protects against inflation. They do this by increasing their interest and principal payments in line with official price measures (currently RPI in the UK) to provide a reliable inflation hedge when properly used. 

Index-linked bonds (nicknamed ‘linkers’) typically respond like other government bonds in most situations, although there is a distinction to be drawn:

  • Nominal government bonds are expected to respond more positively during ‘negative demand shocks’ when confidence crumbles, the economy contracts, and recession looms. 
  • Index-linked bonds are designed to thrive during ‘negative supply shocks’ when demand outstrips production and inflation takes off.

Index-linked bonds can also be expected to do reasonably well during demand-led recessions. 

Good

  • Specifically designed to guard your wealth from inflation. 
  • Ideal for dreaded stagflationary scenarios that throttle equities and nominal bonds.
  • Particularly suited to retirees who are highly vulnerable to inflation wrecking their purchasing power. 

Bad

  • You have to use individual index-linked gilts,7 held to maturity, to guarantee the inflation hedge. The only reason that’s bad is because investing in individual gilts involves quite a steep learning curve. 
  • UK index-linked gilt funds and ETFs are particularly unlikely to perform as expected in inflationary scenarios when they’re highly exposed to interest rate risk. 

Risk/Reward trade-off

  • Risk = As per nominal bonds
  • Reward = As per nominal bonds but potentially lower due to demand for their valuable inflation protection

Time horizon

Hold each individual linker to maturity. When they mature either spend the proceeds or invest in new index-linked bonds. Building an index-linked gilt ladder is an excellent wealth preservation technique for retirees.

More on index-linked gilts

Other asset classes

You’ll no doubt have heard tales of the killings to be made in:

  • Hedge funds
  • Private equity
  • Currencies 
  • Crypto
  • Volatility (e.g. the ‘Fear index’)
  • Collectibles (e.g. art, wine, cars)

A passive investor wades into these waters at their peril. Most alternative asset classes can be discounted on some or all of the following grounds:

  • Their role in a diversified portfolio is highly questionable.
  • They suffer from high costs, or illiquidity, or other barriers to entry/exit.
  • Information asymmetry is high. A high degree of expertise is required to avoid being spanked by other players in the market.
  • Their track record is extremely difficult to independently verify. 

The bottom line is that any investor can construct a diversified portfolio from the main asset classes: cash, bonds, equities, and gold.

More experienced investors who are vulnerable to inflation should consider adding index-linked bonds and commodities.

Take it steady,

The Accumulator

  1. Òscar Jordà, Katharina Knoll, Dmitry Kuvshinov, Moritz Schularick, and Alan M. Taylor. 2019. “The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015.” Quarterly Journal of Economics, 134(3), 1225-1298. []
  2. Òscar Jordà, Katharina Knoll, Dmitry Kuvshinov, Moritz Schularick, and Alan M. Taylor. 2019. “The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015.” Quarterly Journal of Economics, 134(3), 1225-1298. []
  3. Òscar Jordà, Katharina Knoll, Dmitry Kuvshinov, Moritz Schularick, and Alan M. Taylor. 2019. “The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015.” Quarterly Journal of Economics, 134(3), 1225-1298. []
  4. Dmitry Kuvshinov and Kaspar Zimmermann. 2021. The Big Bang: Stock Market Capitalization in the Long Run. Journal of Financial Economics, Forthcoming. []
  5. An agreement to buy or sell a commodity at a particular price, at a set date in the future. []
  6. Bhardwaj, Geetesh and Janardanan, Rajkumar and Rouwenhorst, K. Geert, “The First Commodity Futures Index of 1933,” Journal of Commodity Markets, 2020. []
  7. UK Government index-linked bonds. []
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  • 1 Ash G May 15, 2012, 12:44 pm

    Interesting comments on commodities. I set up some passive investments along the lines of Tim Hale’s book and bought some exposure to commodities (a Lyxor ETF) without really thinking about how it tracks the market. Your comments seem to suggest I might not need any in my portfolio (though I’d be loathe to sell at the moment as they’re being spanked along with equities by Greece). Anyone else have any thoughts on the long term return from commodities?

  • 2 Neverland May 15, 2012, 1:07 pm

    I’m surprised you don’t devote more time to bonds that promise to beat inflation over a time period, e.g. index linked government securities, NS&I linkers, some corporate bonds

    Granted its a small field of investable assets, but these products (to a varying degree) deliver a big part of what an investor wants: predictable returns guaranteed to enhance the value of their savings after inflation

    Nothing else does that; property, equities and commodities might but equally might not

    Note: the Bank of England pension scheme is invested only in index linked gilts…

  • 3 The Accumulator May 15, 2012, 1:36 pm

    @ Ash G – I keep flirting with commodities but can’t bring myself to take the plunge because the advice/evidence is conflicting and the product mechanisms are opaque. However, if you plot the performance of a broad-based fund like the (deep breath) Lyxor ETF Commodities Thomson Reuters/Jefferies CRB TR versus a FTSE tracker then you can clearly see the lack of correlation. Theoretically that enables you to up your allocation to riskier investments without increasing the overall risk in your portfolio. I certainly wouldn’t allocate more than 5-10% of my portfolio to commodities though, as a diversifier, but as I say, in reality I’m allocating 0%. As to the chances of long-term return, William Bernstein described commodities as the ‘asset class de jour’. In other words, once everyone’s piled in already, what are the chances that there’s much gain still left on the table?

    @ Neverland – agreed, index-linked gilts do deserve more airtime, though I think The Investor has written a few times about NS&I Certificates. Personally, my portfolio is positioned so that equities are providing my inflation-proofing, and I sure need the returns I hope equities can provide over linkers. That will change as I wrinkle of course.

  • 4 The Investor May 15, 2012, 1:46 pm

    @Ash G — I personally prefer to get commodity exposure through producing companies, though I can see the case for a holding of precious metals, specifically gold. The last decade or so is unusual — commodity *prices* have gone nowhere or even gotten cheaper over the longer term, due to human ingenuity. (See this famous wager). That said smarter minds have reached different conclusions (as well as the same conclusion…) hence one for personal choice I suspect. If you believe in a coming resource shock / special few decades due to population growth/rampant expansion, maybe the case is stronger. (I don’t, particularly).

    @Neverland — They are mentioned under ‘bonds’. That is where they sit within the asset classes. NS&I certs are great, as I mentioned the other day and have said before I’d buy them whenever they’re on offer. Alas currently they’re not.

    Last I looked inflation-linked gilts were *not* guaranteed to provide a return that would enhance your savings, because such was the crazy demand in these bear-maniac times that the real-return was implied to be negative. Here’s a source:

    Linkers’ are so highly sought-after, in fact, that at an auction last Tuesday Britain sold £700 million of the bonds maturing in 2047 at a real yield of -0.116% – with investors actually paying the government for the privilege to lend to it.

    I’m not saying they don’t have a place in portfolios, even at these elevated prices, though personally I have none (but do have a fair slug of NS&I inflation linked certs). I do think it’s a bit late to get too enthusiastic about them, however.

    Cheers both for your thoughts.

  • 5 Dave May 15, 2012, 2:55 pm

    I feel commodities have offered a reasonable rate of return, but it seems there is a lot of academic debate as to why. It is far more obvious why bonds, gilts and shares do.

    I would rather overpay my mortgage!

  • 6 Rob May 15, 2012, 3:45 pm

    @TheAccumulator – “Personally, my portfolio is positioned so that equities are providing my inflation-proofing, and I sure need the returns I hope equities can provide over linkers. That will change as I wrinkle of course.”

    Tbh, it also factors with cash since you can move cash within an ISA into the best of a set interest rate or inflation without taking it out an ISA; there’s always overlapping between classes. Property, for example, can be held in an investment fund and then you lose some benefits from some gains etc, so I think The Investor is right in saying they are already there, it just depends in what form you take them. In some forms inflation-backed bonds are like cash, in others they are more risky, say Greek inflation-backed bonds.

  • 7 Alex May 15, 2012, 9:22 pm

    1. Thanks, as ever, for this.

    2. You say William Bernstein “described commodities as the ‘asset class de jour’”. When, exactly, did he say this? Was he referring to ‘now’?

    3. Anyway, what does it really mean? Does he deem commodities to be too ‘expensive’? If so, I thought we’re not trying to time entry…

  • 8 The Accumulator May 15, 2012, 9:48 pm

    Hi Alex, Bernstein said that in his book The Investor’s Manifesto: Preparing for Prosperity, Armageddon, and Everything in Between. It’s a couple of years old now, but I don’t think there’s been a bolt out of commodities since then. I think he does mean that commodities are expensive, though that’s not his only reason for not liking them. If you’re buying commodities because you’re hoping to make a big return then I think it’s worth knowing. You probably aren’t going to make a killing on gold now. However, if you’re holding to protect yourself against certain financial risks then that’s a different matter.

  • 9 Matthew May 18, 2012, 1:24 am

    I know much has been said about the conventional strategy of passive investing, which is to pick your asset classes according to correlations, rebalance often, and stick to your allocations, whatever the market does.

    However, what if the correlation between asset classes constantly changes, as it does now? Surely we lose the benefits of diversification and incur more risk then.

    Perhaps Adaptive Asset Allocation, which rebalances portfolios according to recent asset correlations (as opposed to historical correlations) could be the answer? A paper was written about this in 2010 by Sharpe, who worked on the Modern Portfolio Theory which so many of us here follow, so this strategy must bear some merit.

    Here’s a link to a good write up on Adaptive Asset Allocation. Any thoughts?

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/587491-adaptive-asset-allocation-a-true-revolution-in-portfolio-management

  • 10 Ash G May 18, 2012, 9:20 am

    There’s actually a 4 part series of posts where the one Matthew linked to is the last one. It looks interesting but I don’t know how you’d put it in to practice. Maybe they’re going to launch a fund…

    Here’s the first article with links to the others

    http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/guest/BP-120507-How-to-Beat-the-Market.php

  • 11 The Investor May 18, 2012, 10:59 am

    The Adapative Asset Allocation theory is pretty interesting, and as you say it has a great pedigree coming from Sharpe.

    However without proclaiming to be an expert or wanting to argue with a Nobel Laureate, a few potential problems do stick out, especially for private investors.

    First, as you say, how do you implement it? The data requirements are well beyond the average investor. Secondly, I see no talk of costs, although in principle I suppose these may be no different from conventional asset allocation that is rebalanced very frequently. Third, the underpinnings are complicated – I haven’t studied it in detail, but in general it’s hard to stick with a strategy you don’t fully understand. Fourth, I’m a bit sceptical of data mining in general, and especially at an unusual time like this (potentially end of bond bull market in next 1-3 year, say) as an encouragement into a new strategy, though of course that’s not the only justification given here.

    Finally, and most importantly, Sharpe’s original criticism as I recall seemed to be that “not everyone is a contrarian”. Traditional asset allocation and rebalancing requires you to sell winners and buy losers; this is a way around that, to some extent. You would expect there to be a price to pay in terms of lower returns, and I would understand if the strategy was being touted as ‘less pain less gain;. Yet this article is suggesting you can have lower maximum daily drawdown AND higher returns. That seems counter-intuitive.

    Not knocking the thirst for knowledge, but those are my initial thoughts.

  • 12 Graham Lawrence December 17, 2013, 7:14 pm

    I love your emails, Monevator, but (a) I think it should be “spondulix” not “spondoolicks”, although that is only a slang term for money anyway, and (b) come on, money really is supposed to be the ROOT of all evil, not the ROUTE of all evil! (And it isn’t money anyway, it’s the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil!)

  • 13 The Accumulator December 17, 2013, 8:47 pm

    This just in from Wikipedia:

    Spondulix, spondulicks, spondoolicks, spondulacks, and spondulics are alternative spellings of spondoolies.

    I’ve never seen spondulix before nor had cause to look up the origin of the word, so cheers, that was fun!

    Don’t understand your route reference though, much as it would make a good pun for a story about Britain’s next runway.

  • 14 The Investor December 17, 2013, 11:12 pm

    @T.A. — Graham’s reference to route was an misspelling in the post that survived both your authorship and my initial editing. I changed it to root on reading and uploading his feedback, but I left the spondoolies for you to opine on.

    Good opining!

  • 15 oldie February 16, 2016, 10:30 am

    Good overview of assent allocation and views.
    Bonds.
    I was wondering what your thoughts are on retail bonds (Order Book for Retail bonds).
    These can be bought on issue and held to redemption (assuming compatible with your investing timeframes). You get back the capital sum (if held to redemption) and the coupon as you go along.
    You need to have some confidence on survivorship of the issuing company and that the interest/coupon will be adequate over the life of the bond. Also tradable. Higher risk than ordinary bonds?
    Thanks

  • 16 Survivor February 16, 2016, 11:21 am

    @TA,

    You don’t mention P2P in any of it’s guises – I’m not batting for or against it …..& do understand that there may be overlap with some other asset classes, (lending to small businesses is arguably not different to a mini-bond) but would be interested in your opinion/analysis.

    I thought it could warrant a separate class of investment on it’s own & was curious as to where you would place it on the risk/reward graph relative to the other classes generally?

    Though maybe only as a niche feature, I think P2P will be a permanent feature of the investment landscape from now on, if only because the returns elsewhere are so disappointing.

  • 17 Planting Acorns February 16, 2016, 3:26 pm

    @TA…ha ! Disagree that’s the fun of it, wish I could just set up and leave until retirement… Had even been considering talking to an advisor but although an advisor could take a holistic view of my situation I’m not sure why (s)he’d be any better at determining the age old how much of each class to hold at each stage…

    @TI just starting to read the corporate bonds posts you did in 2009… Currently set up to do some gilts, some inflation gilts some bonds but I’ll see how I feel after ;0)

    @Survivor… I’m not going to touch P2P… The closest comparable asset appears to be buying bonds in tiny companies or investing in tiny companies ? In that way to my inexperienced mind its not diversifying out of equities…rather loading up on the riskiest end ? Please correct me if I’ve got this wrong

  • 18 dearieme February 16, 2016, 4:14 pm

    P2P sounds to me to be rather like high yielding bonds. Consumable commodities would behave (I guess) like equities over a long enough term, perhaps with a lead or lag.

    Gold isn’t consumed, so it might indeed be a diversifier.

    Commercial property: I wouldn’t buy it in an open-ended fund. Perhaps in a REIT?

  • 19 amber tree February 16, 2016, 7:37 pm

    Good overview of the assets classes.

    In the commodity space, I limit myself to gold. And I use it more as a safe heaven in case of troubles. that is why I build up my position only since last year, when I thought the European crisis would start with the Greek crisis. I was wrong… I never the less keep it in portfolio, just in case.

  • 20 The Rhino February 16, 2016, 8:06 pm

    P2P are like junk bonds but with an additional insurance policy purchased on top to cover *expected* defaults.

    I wonder if michael milken is getting excited about them?

  • 21 Survivor February 16, 2016, 8:20 pm

    @ Planting Acorns, yes you’re right specifically with respect ‘lending to small businesses’ P2P, well described, I hadn’t thought of it like that – & as it’ll therefore act in parallel to stocks in recessions, it’s not even a hedge. This category is exploding with creativity though & individuals lending to businesses is only one model – there seems to be something new every month, so maybe something better will evolve.

    @Dearieme, I guess some P2P might be like high-yielding bonds, it depends if those bonds are asset backed & inflation indexed though – horses for courses – like everything else, the key is to really understand the risk with each investment instrument & then make sure it’s within your tolerance range……..

    @ All, Physical cash may become a problem in these zero-interest times, if the banks start restricting access so we can’t keep it ‘under mattresses’ to escape effectively paying them to hold it &/or capital controls [for ‘security reasons’ of course – hence usefully, no explanation possible] as is still in place in Greece today.

  • 22 Tim G February 16, 2016, 10:59 pm

    On P2P, I think high-yielding bonds are indeed the obvious comparison point. (Not high interest savings accounts, whatever the advertising might suggest!)

    However, P2P does potentially offer diversification. Last time I looked, the different platforms broke down as follows:
    Funding Knight – small business
    Zopa – personal loans
    Funding Circle – small business
    Thin Cats – small business
    LendLoanInvest – personal
    MarketInvoice – small business (factoring)
    LendingWorks – personal
    LandBay – buy to let
    LendInvest – property (residential and commercial)
    Assetz – small business, property development, buy to let
    Ratesetter – personal, small business

    The lack of transparency strikes me as a bit offputting (you need to dig a little, so it seems that investors are not really meant to evaluate P2P in these terms) but if you are prepared to do a fairly minimal amount of research then you can ensure both that your P2P is a diversifier when compared to your other assets and also, by spreading between different platforms with different borrower bases, that your P2P portfolio is itself diversified. (Whether the risk is right for you and whether it matches the rewards on offer are, of course, separate questions!)

    With regards to physical cash, there have been a few articles recently about moves to withdraw high denomination notes. The highest in the UK is only £50, but I was surprised to hear that the Swiss have a 10,000 franc note (worth over £700). Less surprisingly, the Swiss are hanging on to it. Now that would buy a lot of chocolate! (And no need to tell the taxman.)

  • 23 The Rhino February 16, 2016, 11:32 pm

    Technically speaking its actually £100 million or a ‘titan’. You wouldn’t have to jam too many of them under your mattress to get the desired effect..

  • 24 dearieme February 17, 2016, 1:14 am

    “The highest in the UK is only £50”: £100 in Scotland and N.I.

  • 25 The Investor February 17, 2016, 9:36 am

    Interesting discussion, if a bit OT for this article. 🙂 think I will do an article about these alternative cash-like-slash-replacement-sort-of options soon. They do offer something different, and possibly ultimately unattractive from a risk/reward basis — the data is still short, of course, as they haven’t been around a long time. I’d see them more fitting into my kind of menagerie approach to portfolio construction than @TA’s pure passive approach (and indeed I’ve dabbled in all).

    I don’t think any of the comparisons are 100% accurate (e.g. You don’t have the liquidity with some P2P and with mini-bonds that you do with conventional corporate bonds or ORB issues, say, it’s harder to diversify and so forth) but that’s equally why we can say they offer something different.

  • 26 The Rhino February 17, 2016, 1:28 pm

    I do wonder with P2P if they have been passed through some investment banks research dept to see if they are sensibly priced and thus whether they represent a new ‘opportunity’ as it were.

  • 27 SemiPassive February 17, 2016, 4:06 pm

    Since I rebalanced last have been watching how various bond funds react to equity market swings. Currently holding SLXX (investment grade Corporate Bonds), IGLT (UK govt bonds) a couple of strategic bond funds. So far the lack of yield on gilts is more than made up for by the negative correlation with stocks on down days, but more curious how the long term total return compares. Could you get away with all or the bulk of your bond quota in IGLT without harming long term returns due to the overall safe haven effect on your portfolio in times of extreme stress?

    My other observation is the Woodford Equity Income fund – a rare active fund in my portfolio -, has done incredibly well and behaved more like a bond fund as the main markets have tanked over the last year. Can’t begrudge the fees on that one so far.

  • 28 dearieme April 29, 2025, 4:05 pm

    “Gold is a commodity”

    Some years ago I read a chap explain why his firm had decided that silver behaved like a commodity and gold like foreign exchange.

    So silver is the commodity we hold and gold the FX.

    Changed days from having a few hundred Deutschmarks in the sock drawer, eh?

  • 29 Delta Hedge April 29, 2025, 5:13 pm

    A brilliant tour d’horizon and tour d’force @TA.

    When I read in email I’d quite forgotten about the original, which I must have read and reread in 2012 and 2016.

    Very much endorse @TI’s #11 comment 13 years ago about AAA. IIRC I had a bit of a rant (@ #75) on AAA on the 22/4/25 SWR Danger Zone piece.

    Not sure REITs stand up as a diversifier. Same for corporate bonds.

    Suggest they (or either of them) are asset classes which you either do or you don’t want to hold on their independent and autonomous merits (which will vary across time/valuations).

    My overall conclusion on asset allocation after tweaking over many years is that my own optimum is to get as close to an AWP or to Risk Parity whilst keeping the return exposure of a 60/40.

    Capital efficient/ return stacking products like WGEC ETF and Winton’s new trend following/ equities stack get one part way there, but there’s mathematically no way I think to achieve it fully yet for the typical UK retail investor.

    Thanks again @TA for the brilliant update and the great original article.

  • 30 mr_jetlag April 30, 2025, 12:46 am

    @SemiPassive: After having been stung to the tune of 10k by WPCT – I avoid anything with Neil Woodford (or any name brand asset manager) on the tin, but am happy yours is performing.

    I held a mix of IGLS and IGLT in the bond bucket until several listens of the Rational Reminder convinced me that volatility dampening (and the psychological benefits of not selling) is the only role of bonds in a portfolio; and it seemed odd to hold it yet also hold 10% in short options and other naughty wsb plays. Traded bonds for “cash” (Tbills) and haven’t regretted it so far.

    In semi-retirement so the focus has shifted to capital preservation; even the “play” money is mostly in boring VT and 1 year Bills. I keep planning to, but never get around to, adding gold or BTC. As always the tips here are invaluable (moreso than the TIPS… heh)

  • 31 The Accumulator April 30, 2025, 12:08 pm

    @DH – cheers! I hear you on REITs. It’s probably worth thinking of REITs as a diversifier within equities akin to tilting towards the risk factors or down-weighting the US. As opposed to a diversifier of equities like all the other asset classes here.

    Personally, I think of a REIT fund as an over-complication these days but I expect I’d feel differently about it if my global property tracker had delivered outstanding returns this past decade 🙂

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