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Scrimping and saving to start your snowball rolling

Image of a snowball made of savings money

I love the analogy of saving and investing as rolling a snowball down a hill. Your portfolio starts off ping pong ball-sized – but you can end up with an avalanche of money.

The Snowball was the perfect title for Warren Buffett’s biography.

That said, sometimes in the midst of your journey to financial freedom you may doubt your snowball is growing. Especially when the markets are going nowhere.

You’re automatically adding money to your accounts each month but your number isn’t growing. You might even feel like your snowball is melting.

Keep at it!

Those regular contributions to your equity funds are buying you ever more productive and money-making assets – regardless of how the market prices them in the short-term.

Sooner or later you’ll be rewarded.

Self-fulfilling prophecy

The point of the snowball analogy is that your savings and investments will gather their own momentum.

You may still be pushing – by adding new money – but most of the extra mass added becomes self-generated.

A snowball gathers ever more snow as its surface area expands while it moves forward.

Your investment pot does this when compound interest moves the dial on your returns. Eventually, when your pot is big enough, just a single year’s returns can equal serious money.

A 10% annual return on £500 – fifty quid – won’t have anyone daydreaming of chucking in their day job.

But a 10% annual return on £500,000 is a cool £50,000 added to the financial freedom fund.

When exactly these numbers start to matter for you – when the importance of internal momentum outweighs new contributions – will depend on your own earnings, savings, and expectations.

But keep saving and investing smartly for long enough and you’ll inevitably get there.

It’s just maths.

Ice ice baby

In a typical year for the markets (as opposed to a rubbish one like 2022) my annual portfolio gains now dwarf anything I’ve ever managed to save over 12 months.

Maybe this sounds like a boast. But it’s just me getting paid for actions I started taking decades ago.

I lived like a graduate student for many years to get my snowball rolling. Lots of people would have seen that as a slog, though personally I never felt very deprived.

So I won’t say I’m lucky. I’m in a position I planned for – and bought and paid for.

(I do though feel fortunate to have been able to make it happen without health mishaps or similar.)

I’d have to earn much more than I ever expect to earn again for additional savings to be the main driver of my wealth from here. My portfolio now does most of the work for me.

It could be you

Perhaps you’ve just begun your own march to financial freedom. Money is tight and the idea of having even £10,000 to compound seems out of reach.

So a portfolio that out-earns your day job feels as faraway as Peter Pan’s Neverland.

I remember that feeling.

Indeed one of the challenges of writing Monevator from the other side of financial freedom is your priorities change as your wealth grows.

To some readers – younger, less flush readers – an article by our contributor Finumus about how best to manage a seven-figure pension pot tax-efficiently might seem fantastical, if not offensive.

But Finumus isn’t likely to write about turning down his central heating to save a few quid. Perhaps he’d do it out of principle – once you have the saving habit it’s hard to kick – but it’s no imperative for him.

And many of our readers are in such a position, or close to it. The challenge has turned to how best to extract the wealth they’ve worked so hard to accumulate.

But many of you still have a long way to go.

Now I happen to think that regularly reading about money management at the wealthier end of the spectrum is still useful and educational.

I’d even dare to say aspirational.

It gives you a vision of where you’re headed. And perhaps what mistakes you might avoid along the way,

But it can also feel a bit like pressing your nose against the window of a restaurant you can’t yet afford.

We’ve tried to find a younger contributor to help with this issue, but nobody has quite worked out for the long haul.

Perhaps they’re all off shouting into an iPhone on TikTok? I have my doubts but who knows.

For now you’re stuck with older duffers trying to recall our roots as young would-be FIRE-ees.

The upside is we’re living proof it can be done. The Accumulator, Finumus, and I all achieved financial freedom in different ways.

It’s not easy, but it’s very doable.

We might disagree about what FIRE means in practice. (I don’t take private helicopters, for example. Finumus’ mileage may vary…)

But for all of us, compound interest is the real deal.

Ignore the haters and just get started.

Money matters

I was prompted to think about all this recently for two reasons.

Firstly, there was Warren Buffett’s latest Berkshire Hathaway meeting – the first without his sidekick Charlie Munger.

Buffett made himself one of the richest men in the world on the back of early frugality, a de facto hedge fund, amazing investment returns – and of course compound interest.

So did Charlie Munger, who was so absent from this year’s meeting. And all the money in the world can’t bring him back.

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Secondly, and much more prosaically, InvestEngine extended its cashback offer for ISA transfers. (Affiliate link, terms and conditions apply.)

Now, I have ISAs with a few platforms. Why not transfer one to bag £1,000? It’s free money, after all.

A decade or two ago, when I had much smaller pieces to move around the board, I’d definitely have gone through the hassle – and the risks of being out of the market – to bag the cash.

Even today a grand is a grand. That’s still proper money. Far better to have it than not.

And maybe if I was a passive investor I’d still do the transfer for the cash. InvestEngine is a good platform – see our broker table and review – if you’re building out a very cheap-to-run ETF portfolio. So why not?

But for my sins I find I don’t want to chase the bonus at the cost of curbing my naughty active investing adventures. Not even for the guaranteed return of cash back.

The Investor to himself: “You’ve changed!”

FIRE and forget

Buffett’s billions, Charlie’s absence, and the dulling of my own dash for cash instinct got me thinking about some other things I no longer do to bolster my investment pot.

Have I become lazy? Or is this a natural reaction to having a snowball that’s taken on a life of its own?

Some things I used to do to save that I don’t do anymore

Open bank accounts for switching bonuses. Once I’d move money across numerous bank accounts to get sign-up bonuses and time-limited interest rates. Now it’s too much hassle.

‘Stooze’ to arbitrage interest rates. Stoozing is borrowing low interest debt – typically on 0% credit cards – to earn interest elsewhere before paying back the debt without penalty. I was on The Motley Fool boards when user Stooze popularised it, and I did my time in the trenches. For various reasons, no more.

Ruthlessly track and cut my investment fees. I use several platforms – not least because I’m paranoid – and there are slightly cheaper options I could switch to. For mostly non-financial reasons, I don’t.

Avoid all foreign holidays except for special offer weekend breaks. Fortunately I used to go abroad a lot with work, so this didn’t feel like a huge sacrifice. As I got more guilty about flying I dropped the short getaways too. But these days I will go on holiday, at least in theory. (I still hate organising it!) Contrarily, I still think experiences are overrated versus buying stuff you really want or need. But dropping thousands of pounds just to be somewhere else for a week is no longer almost physically impossible for me.

Shun expensive takeaway coffee. In the 1990s I laughed at friends spending coffee at a 10x markup. Yet the first thing I did when the March 2020 lockdown ended was to head to an indie coffee place for a latte to go. Walking through London again with it felt like freedom. And this from someone who loves making my own coffee! Time was I’d have rather fainted in the street then spend larcenous amounts on a flat white. The latte factor won’t make you rich. But at the start it really does all add up.

Shun buying lunch at places like Pret. I used to wince at the cost. If I had to buy food when out and about I’d go to a supermarket and buy cut-priced pastries and a banana or similar. To be honest I still avoid £6 sandwiches if I’m on my own, but I no longer make a fuss if with my girlfriend or others. Part of my annoyance is I’m a decent cook and I’m amazed at what people will happily pay up for. But I don’t begrudge spending on great food. (Or smelly cooking that I don’t want in my flat. Fish and chips, I’m looking at you!)

Buy all my clothes at TK Maxx, in a charity shop, or in the sales. I still enjoy finding discounted fancy stuff at TK Maxx, but I’m not averse to sometimes spending money in a full-price shop these days. Between 18-30 I mostly I wore what I was given for Christmas and miscellaneous bargains, which I wore until they fell apart.

Buy wasting assets at all. Actually, aside from my aquarium habit – which since childhood has stood in for owning cars, smoking 40-a-day, and crack cocaine when it comes to my budget – you had to prise money out of my hands with a crowbar until my 40s. I’m still no huge fan of rampant consumerism, not least because everything you buy tends to bring extra faff in its wake. (Set-up issues, add-ons, upgrades, return hassles). But once you buy your own place, the ultra-frugal gig is mostly done for.

Get a coach to visit my family instead of the train. For a few years after Uni I’d always go to a bus terminal and trundle around the houses for hours to save on long distance journeys. Nowadays I’m a baller who pays through the nose for a seat on a crowded train with somebody’s luggage in my face.

I could go on (and on) but you get the idea.

Snowball’s gonna snowball

I will always like a bargain and I add money to my SIPP each month. But I’m no longer in Defcon 3 savings mode.

True, if I still religiously did all the stuff above then it would mean a decent chunk of extra cash going into my portfolio.

But I guess that given where I’m at financially, it no longer feels it’s worth all the friction and going without.

Does this mean I was foolish to ever sweat the small stuff, as some writers like to suggest?

Emphatically not!

A snowball has to start somewhere and getting started is the hardest thing.

Moreover, the act of cutting back and developing a savings habit is its own reward. One that will pay off big time over a long life.

Those habits are still with me, after all. It’s really just that the sticker prices that have changed.

I’ll happily buy a latte today. But I’m still not driving a show-off car, for example.

Time waits for no one

I don’t care for maths that says frugality can wait until you can earn and save a lot more – even as late as your 50s.

Or that one day you’ll look back and see you could have gone for sushi more often in your 20s.

I don’t believe it works that way.

Sure, you’re 50, earning £X and chucking £Y into your pension.

But I’m already financial free by then, thanks to saving hard, investing, and compound interest.

And as I said, saving and investing is a habit.

Yes, some people get religion late – say 10-20 years away from their State Pension. A few might cut to the bone and still end up comfortably ahead.

But personally I’d bet every day of the week on the person who begins to put real money away by age 25 as the one more likely to end up financially free.

Of course there’s a balance. I didn’t always get it right myself.

Sometimes I was too tight.

It’s also true there are certain experiences that are best had when you’re young. But I’d argue most of these are at the cheaper end of the spectrum, anyway.

Backpacking across Asia staying in youth hostels and scrounging street food with your buddies?

That’s probably worth putting money aside for in your 20s as a one-off experience. It won’t be the same when you’re much older and more easily able to afford it. (Assuming you even have the freedom to go).

But a lavish weekend on a whim in New York, staying at the trendiest hotels, and populating your Instagram account with all your fine dining?

That’s a hard no from me if you’re under-40 and not a Murdoch heir.

Remember, young people are already rich. You don’t need to spend much to play to your strengths.

Ways to start your snowball rolling

Struggling to get going? Here’s a few things we wrote earlier that might help:

Saving is far more important than investing for the first few years of your journey, and if I was whisked back to my late-20s I’d do almost everything the same again.

Even when your snowball isn’t growing much on its own, it’s fun that you can make it noticeably bigger just by chucking more money at it.

As we’ve discussed, eventually your portfolio takes on a life of its own. Then how it grows is more down to the markets than anything you can control. Your financial future is mostly about your investment returns, not your income or savings.

I’ll look at passing this crucial crossover point in a future post. (Subscribe to ensure you see it.)

The not-so-abominable snowball

My best advice would be to enjoy the journey to getting your own snowball going as best you can.

Unless you get a kickstart from an inheritance, a big bonus, or the Bank of Mum and Dad, then the first £10,000 – outside of any pseudo-compulsory workplace pension – is probably the hardest.

Not just in terms of the cash. Also in the mentality shift that says your money is not all there for spending.

The first £100,000 is no walk in the park either. Especially if you’re trying to save a house deposit at the same time.

But after £100,000 you start going places.

A return of 10% is £10,000 extra in a year gathered up by your snowball.

Of course sometimes you’ll do a lot worse, but some years far better too.

Median full-time earnings in the UK are £35,000. So a portfolio that bolts-on £10,000 in a year is a very valuable asset.

With ups and downs, it will only get better from there.

It’s hard to believe it when you start and everything is about cutting and saving, but it’s actually fun watching your portfolio grow.

Stay with this journey, and you’ll find the impulse to spend money on material tat falls away too – even as your ability to splash the cash grows out of all proportion.

That’s not to say you shouldn’t spend any money, especially once you’re on-track or have achieved your goals. None of us is taking anything with us when the clock runs out.

But just having a decent financial buffer at your back – and building the habit of living well whatever The Jones’ are doing – is pleasurable in its own right.

Getting there will probably be one of the biggest achievements of your life. Try to savour the journey!

And start your snowball rolling.

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  • 1 tetromino May 9, 2024, 11:37 am

    Typo service: something malformed in the ‘religion’ para?

    As for savings: it has to be healthy to change your attitude as you go. It’s not only our statement balances that change over time…

  • 2 The Investor May 9, 2024, 11:43 am

    @tetromino — Thanks, misplaced carriage return in the final edit I think. Fixed now!

  • 3 BBBobbins May 9, 2024, 11:50 am

    It’s different for different people. Personally though I’ve never been into having expensive “stuff”, leisure travel has always been an important part of my life so I wouldn’t have been able to stick anywhere near the grindstone without those elements (work travel just isn’t the same though sometimes you can add on fun weekends etc).

    I kinda agree though that there does seem to be a culture of “fake it til you make it” in lots of travel targeted at the young these days.

    You also ignore the biggest variables affecting most people – relationships and kids. You can establish the best habits in the world by your late 20s and still get hit with a thunderbolt of a partner and kids which completely change things. Divorces/separations are messy and costly both emotionally and financially.

  • 4 The Investor May 9, 2024, 12:04 pm

    @BBBobbins: Cheers for your thoughts. You write:

    You also ignore the biggest variables affecting most people – relationships and kids. You can establish the best habits in the world by your late 20s and still get hit with a thunderbolt of a partner and kids which completely change things. Divorces/separations are messy and costly both emotionally and financially.

    My opinion on this is that all are choices. Who you partner up with — or whether you partner up with anyone at all — and when you do it.

    What you are selecting for, too.

    If you want someone with a taste for bling then of course that’s going to affect your savings rate. Guess what, you’re probably not going to be financially free anytime soon then. I hope s/he’s worth it 😉

    I also think kids are a choice. For numerous reasons — not all financial — I don’t have any and I’m very happy with that.

    Of course I understand other people feel differently. Obviously more than fair enough. But you’re going to have to pay for them.

    @Finumus has a brood. He was/is also a high earner.

    I’m not hear to tell you that you can have three kids and a partner who spends for Britain and that you can still achieve financial freedom by 50 on £30K a year. It’s not going to happen.

    It’s a choice. Absolutely fair enough for someone to make it as best fits their desires.

    But let’s not pretend that from a financial point of view it’s any different from deciding you need to have six foreign holidays a year.

  • 5 AoI May 9, 2024, 12:24 pm

    I think there are many merits to starting early. Of course very high earnings later in life, a windfall from entrepreneurship / inheritance or a bear market in your early investing years could ultimately make frugality and sacrifices to save and invest in your 20’s look like a mistake in hindsight but this would seem a vastly preferable problem to betting on one of those outcomes and being wrong.
    I also think the self awareness you gain from having enough money exposed to the market to provoke you emotionally as it goes through it’s various greed and fear inducing cycles is something you can only really fully acquire over a significant time period and it’s not something you can easily catch up on quickly later in life. Much better to make your investing mistakes early when your financial capital is low and human capital high than vice versa

  • 6 Mr Optimistic May 9, 2024, 12:38 pm

    The tension with pension saving can’t be easy especially if the employer makes a meaningful contribution.

  • 7 M May 9, 2024, 1:19 pm

    You could have been writing about me. I’m not 45 and I’ve been through exactly the same, I grew up in a poor area with parents working what would have been minimum wage jobs if the minimum wage was a thing back then. I didn’t realise we were poor because we were the same as everyone else, although better off than some because both my parents had jobs (I actually didn’t realise I’d grown up poor until I was in my thirties and was in an interview and the interviewer asked me what it was like growing up poor).

    I moved away for university and afterwards for work. Everybody in my new area thinks of me as frugal but I don’t, I just lived like I always had done. Now that I have a snowball I have loosened the purse strings a lot. I’m still not flash, however I will spend money on my children. But I still exclusively wear clothes that are birthday/xmas presents until they fall apart.

    We bought a house that needed a lot of cosmetic work and a bit of structural work such as a new roof. When looking at the work needed we started adding extra stuff that would be nice, extension, underfloor heating etc. The quote has come in at nearly 300k. That would wipe out my entire snowball, I can’t bring myself to going back to the beginning. The beginning is really hard and it’s easy to forget that, I also think that this country rewards capital a lot more than labour. I want to stay capital rich, the peace of mind is fantastic.

  • 8 BBBobbins May 9, 2024, 1:39 pm

    @The Investor #4

    I do agree with you on the matter that all those things are a choice. But I also recognise that a) they are fairly core to the human condition and b) “optimising” may not ultimately result in a “satisfied” FI e.g. you can lose even when you’ve won.

    I think the FIRE movement is heavily skewed towards SINKs and DINKs because the idea of sacrificing and the payoff of tangible progress is so much easier. That doesn’t mean plans are impossible with kids (as indeed a number of FIREside chats here have shown and many many people who still get to exercise more traditional REs) just that they take a different shape.

    Full disclosure – I don’t have kids. Not through any conscious choice just simply life never worked that way.

  • 9 dearieme May 9, 2024, 2:00 pm

    Having children doesn’t just change your budget – it changes you.

    Otherwise you’re not really likely to devote much of a holiday to watching children stamping in puddles, playing with gravel, and spraying each other with a garden hose.

  • 10 G May 9, 2024, 3:50 pm

    I agree there is a rubicon that is crossed around the £10K mark, or perhaps less depending on your background. Before then, the money can still mentally fit into “possibly spendable on something/where/one fancy”. Past that mark, you’ve not only invested money, but also time in getting there – it now becomes xxx months of your life/savings and it’s hard to go back. Knowing you have some kind of buffer against the winds of ill-fortune is gold too.

    Can you reach that point easier at 35 than 25 due to being further along in your career? Quite possibly, but you’ll miss out on the mindset shift. £10K aged 25 was enough for me to survive on for a year. That shifts the power dynamic at work considerably in terms of risks willing to take etc.

  • 11 Peter May 9, 2024, 5:40 pm

    I always thought comparing a portfolio to a rolling snowball is inaccurate. In reality, snowball is growing but can also rapidly shrink by a whopping 50% in case of a market downturn.

  • 12 Factor May 9, 2024, 6:22 pm

    I like to monitor my “four-cornered” snowball usually daily; house (net of some equity release), portfolio of investment trusts (held for income) and cash, 20 years worth of public sector occupational pension (but shared on divorce), single person state pension.

    I convert the annual pensions income to a theoretical capital sum by applying the % return rate of my IT dividends, et voila, a useful total wealth figure.

    With the ITs nudging upwards lately, this week I hit a satisfying milestone for the very first time, with the total passing £1 million and sitting today at £1,007K.

  • 13 The young investor May 9, 2024, 6:40 pm

    One of the best articles of yours this year, loved the snowball concept.

    I feel a bit like the poster child for all this, been saving and investing hard since I got my first real job at 24 (and discovered Monevator, back in 2016). First few years were hard, I often went without compared to friends in order to scribble a bit more (I would eat at home before joining friends for dinner, almost no heating in the house, etc). I’d save a few hundreds each month plus bonuses and presents, but was proud of my ability to enjoy life even without spending much.

    I crossed the 100k at 30 and have been spending much more lavishly since then (for my standards). You can’t ignore the compound effect of saving consistently, working hard/getting promoted, and automating your finances.

    Now at 33 my portfolio is closing in on 200k even though each year I am spending something like 12 weeks abroad, either backpacking on holiday or working remotely from warm places. Markets were kind to my Vanguard All-World, but still, I feel I am living life with cheat codes on.

    The only things I would add to what you mentioned is that 1) FIRE is not binary and 2) ‘F**k you money’ is real. After a certain threshold, savings and investments make your life considerably better even if you don’t spend a cent out of it, just because you get bolder with your choices (work-wise and lifestyle-wise). I had to overcome a bit of impostor syndrome to reap this added benefit, but in the end this was for sure the greatest perk of having a solid investment portfolio.

  • 14 Jonooooo May 9, 2024, 7:32 pm

    Great piece.

  • 15 SirRik May 9, 2024, 11:18 pm

    Very nice article. Thank you. I was reading it and, at the same time, thinking to different moments: my twenties, my thirties, my first 10kE and then 100kE…I continue not to understand when exactly the snowball became bigger…and bigger…sometimes it is difficult to connect those first 10kE with today net worth. But you are right: I learned a lot during the way, it was nice. My motto was and has always been: “Be aggressive with savings, but never renouncing to what you really want”. I know, it seems the second part is in contrast with the first one, but when I was young I was so proud of it! It was a way to say that it was possible to save a lot and live well, that it was up to me to decide. “nice things” does not mean “expensive”… thanks again and, as usual…A big “Ciao!” from Italy!

  • 16 Steve B May 9, 2024, 11:57 pm

    Nice pep talk, thank you. Definitely helps to remind yourself of an earlier mindset when the numbers were so small relatively speaking and how that discipline got you this far so don’t stop now.

    That said I have recently found myself in a position of accepting what might seem non essential spending from the hardline perspective is actually perfectly sensible when looking at the bigger picture. There is a big difference between spending money in a way that has a tangible effect on those closest to you and the kind of excessive behaviour we can all spot a mile off as being purely performative in nature.

    Sad to say the steady drumbeat of Hedonic Treadmill reminders here and via the Saturday links means the dream of a Mustang on the drive will have to remain as such for a long time to come – brain is still beating heart!

  • 17 vortexgently May 10, 2024, 8:43 am

    Great article! Will change the lives of some young people out there.

  • 18 tfos May 10, 2024, 11:53 am

    As a “younger, less flush reader”, I’ve always enjoyed reading posts from the likes of Finimus et al, and would agree with your view that hearing of the tail-end of the journey (in whichever form that takes) can be aspirational and inspiring. The FIREside chats spotlight those at the end of their journeys (with the RE aspect of FIRE skewing the average age of interviewees upwards), with many of those people managing to FIRE having worked through a slightly different environment than that a graduate or early career professional might find themselves in today. That’s not to say there isn’t valuable insight or common advice that still applies, and the general principles don’t change – however some perspective/s from an earlier stage of the journey into FIRE would potentially feel more relatable to your younger readers (myself included). That being said, having found Monevator not long after graduating 5 years ago, it’s been a treasure trove of useful information and perspective since – good advice doesn’t discriminate based on age, even if it is being written by “older duffers”!

    Have you tried to gauge your ‘average’ reader before? It would be interesting to see who the typical Monevator reader most resembles (although I can hazard a guess), especially when it comes to age/income/gender.

  • 19 Marco May 10, 2024, 11:59 am

    I haven’t tracked our returns but our snowball has grown to almost 2 mill, and that’s with my wife being a full time mum for 10 years. VWRL with its paltry yield throws off almost 30k per year in dividends, which we don’t need to pay tax on. Dividends alone are almost half my take home pay from full time work. In the words of one of my favourite songs (talking heads) “Well, how did I get here?”

  • 20 Boltt May 10, 2024, 12:45 pm

    @marco

    £2m in a tax advantage wrapper is awesome.

    I was feeling happy about my ISA dividends/growth being greater than the £20k subscription for the first time ever this year (so would my wife if she showed any interest!)

    TA/TI I can’t remember which year you were talking about the FTSE100 hitting 9000 – I think the stretch target for 2024 has to be 10,000 now.

  • 21 FireSoon? May 10, 2024, 12:51 pm

    I can’t add anything practical to your words of wisdom but I did want to drop into the comments to say I thought this piece was superb, even by your usual high standards. Thanks!

  • 22 Smautf May 10, 2024, 2:31 pm

    Lovely piece, thank-you.

    I was in my late 20s when I started saving properly into my ISA. I remember starting with £100 a month and doggedly upping the amount every time I got a pay rise; soon enough it got to £400 or so without me really noticing that I was giving anything up.

    After I switched jobs – and took a biggish pay cut – a decade or so ago, I was able to save far less. And having two children around the same time didn’t help. But those early monthly contributions are still working hard for me.

    Thanks to a little uptick in the markets lately, my portfolio has gained the best part of £20K just in the last week or so. That’s an awful lot more than I’ve brought home in my pay packet !

  • 23 BBBobbins May 10, 2024, 5:24 pm

    I like the comments from younger members. I’d have really had my shit together if I’d started reading Monevator when I graduated (had it existed then).

    I’m slightly wary of checking the totality of all my pots at the moment lest I get carried away by thoughts of TNW. Might do some discounting before I decide what a SWR gives me.

  • 24 MTM May 10, 2024, 6:46 pm

    Thanks for this. I slavishly hustled my way through my 20s getting over two major humps (1) buying and suing off our home, (2) starting a family and saving the requisite school fees to know I could finish what she started. Then the work began to accumulate the nest egg and it’s pretty healthy now – although I have some way to go. That said, my daughter is now 10 and time is a wasting asset and I’ve noticed my priorities change not to be miserly, but to make memories and share experiences that bring other people happiness too. These are the two highest value things I think money brings; first security, second – the ability to share generously with others. I still will never outspend my income, let alone the compound return each year, but definitely ease up and share the wealth too!

  • 25 SirRik May 10, 2024, 8:48 pm

    @Marco: “Well, how did I get here?”: it is exactly what I meant!
    @FireSoon?: “this piece was superb, even by your usual high standards”…thank you FireSoon! I underline every single word of your statement. Yesterday evening, when I read the article, I was…I’m italian, perhaps I’m not using the right words in english…could I say “dreamy and thrilled”? I say this because I was going back with my memories, when the “journey” began…I was young, with no money at all! I began with the first job…one year later I already felt “the power” (only some kEuros…)…but then…year after year…It is incredible because, in the meantime, my wife and I closed the mortgage, renovated the house, got married…but never looked at the “snowball” as to something where to grab and take money. And the snowball…behaved as it was expected…as a snowball! But still I say, in some moments: “Well, how did I get here?”. Thank you all, guys! And “Ciao!” all!

  • 26 2 more years May 11, 2024, 1:06 am

    What a super piece. There’s a few youngsters in my team at work and (as the resident ‘Martin Lewis’) I’ve been charged with prepping a little CPD talk on exactly this. Saved me a job, and hopefully a few new converts!

  • 27 SLG May 11, 2024, 7:31 am

    The biggest FIRE bonus for me is /was the belief I can do it.
    Then it became a thought exercise in what a FI life would look like, then the confidence to start doing those things sooner.
    FIRE thinking /principles has helped with the kids and enabled freedom and confidence of choices. That was years before I saw the “bigger snowball magic” which has started kicking in over the last year. For anyone starting out, it is definitely a worthy pursuit for the things you may discover.
    And for everyone, don’t forget to enjoy the smell of cut grass and the feel of the spring sun on your skin.

  • 28 Prospector May 11, 2024, 8:41 am

    I’m definitely one of the older duffers, a few thoughts in case a younger me is reading on how to start the journey :
    1) I was living on credit – overdraft and credit cards (not to leverage up non-existent portfolio purely bad cashflow). I took out a loan at 20% spread the cost of repayment and dug out of the black hole of paying interest instead of earning it.
    2) Thank fully my partner had a very well developed sense of saving. To the extent we tracked out spending down to the last £10. So we knew exactly how much we could save.

  • 29 Azamino May 11, 2024, 9:48 am

    Still waiting on Ermine to chip in with his more sceptical view on the miracle of compound interest as applied to the average earner.
    The basics of frugality and early saving (spend less/ earn more, invest surplus) are so well known that it is hard to repackage. The tactics for generating a surplus vary on location, age, industry etc and that is where fresh, aspiring Firees will know better than those long in the tooth.
    What is left is providing inspiration for those not yet decided on making the journey. MMM managed it with a little OTT humour, Jacob ERE with some Scandinavian seriousness and too many to mention who put a huge amount of effort into blogging what they were doing and why.

  • 30 Alan S May 11, 2024, 10:25 am

    I’m not Ermine, but I can chip in on what might be realistic for those on the median wage.

    Assuming an annual £3000 investment, and that this gets increased by inflation (i.e., it is £3000 in real terms), then after 42 years (don’t ask!), at the 10th percentile of historical cases in the UK (data from macrohistory and my own calculations of historical returns for ‘All Stocks’ gilt fund), our prospective retiree might have a retirement pot of 80*3000=£240k (remember this is in real, not nominal, terms). Assuming a single life RPI annuity with current rates of around 4% that would give an income of about £9.6k (i.e. just a bit less than the state pension mark) – drawdown at 3.5% would give a bit less. The worst historical cases would have seen about half the amount, while the median case would have seen about 1.5 the amount. Luck plays quite a large role in this – the last 40 years or so have been good for accumulators.

  • 31 AJP May 11, 2024, 12:07 pm

    Great article to read during a lunchtime work break in the sun.

    Makes me ponder whether I will regret not sacrificing money now to spend time with my two year old.

    To go down to a 4 day week and have 1 day with my son would cost me £77 (£4k a year) after taking off tax and nursery fees, which seems well worth it. But looking at it another other way, that’s £15k less I would be putting into my salary sacrifice pension.

  • 32 Dawn May 11, 2024, 2:22 pm

    Excellent. I’d I was to write my own journey up it would be the same as yours TI . Like you, I chill with spending now. Yes I buy tea and scones in cafes when I’m out with friends. Something I would never do in accumulation. Ha

  • 33 JPGR May 13, 2024, 8:40 am

    No doubt a dumb question (for obvious reasons), but in broad brush terms how much do you think you need to live very comfortably during retirement assuming: (i) retirement at 60 death at 90 (both spouses), (ii) reasonably self-sufficient kids, (iii) no mortgage and (iv) no defined benefit pension?

  • 34 The Investor May 13, 2024, 10:05 am

    @JPGR — It’s not a dumb question — it’s one of *the* questions! 🙂

    It is, however, a question with no correct answer since (a) you don’t know how long you will both live and (b) we don’t know how investment returns and the cost of living will play out over our individual retirements.

    All we can do is try to be as least wrong as possible, but my conservative and well-founded assumptions.

    This is something you can only do for yourself. The following article should help:

    https://monevator.com/how-much-do-i-need-to-retire/

  • 35 weenie May 13, 2024, 11:55 am

    Excellent article – would like to say that it would have been good for my 25-year old self to have read it, except that I know that I was too busy enjoying a life funded by credit cards and an ever increasing overdraft back then, so sadly, I wouldn’t have taken any notice of it!

    Staying the same dress size has meant that I can still fit into the clothes I bought nearly 20 years ago and I do mostly wear family gifts or hand-me-downs. I don’t have the patience to rummage in TK Maxx, so will occasionally pick the odd item from the supermarket. Currently wearing a pair of shorts which cost £2 in the sale from George (Asda) – it all helps with the snowball!

    That said, if out with friends, I will buy an expensive coffee or splash out on a nice lunch (£18 for a recent burger lunch I had, city centre prices). Was the burger worth it? No, but it was worth spending the time with friends.

  • 36 Keep it simple May 13, 2024, 9:22 pm

    Brilliant article and some really thoughtful comments, thanks all.

  • 37 ermine May 15, 2024, 1:12 pm

    @Azamino #29 > Still waiting on Ermine to chip in with his more sceptical view on the miracle of compound interest

    I can’t be such a miserable git as to spoil this rather fine valedictory* ‘Mission Accomplished’ post from TI, because it sounds like unlike Dubya the mission has been accomplished, and chapeau that man.

    I will observe that after his hefty kick up the backside to my younger self and the unusual circumstance of a very long bull market out of that in historical terms, I managed to get that in less time by saving hard. 10 years into retirement and contributing the max and not having drawn from the ISA (because I lived SIPP and then other pension income) I did see the CI signal slowly flicker into life. It was not an enabler in my specific case. I am sure TI has done even better.

    We should note that the US market (and thus 60% of world) is way up in the sky at nosebleed historical valuations. As AlanS said, the last 40 years has been kind to accumulators, I’d say the last 15 have been exceptionally kind. Reversion to the mean suggests this may not prevail, and high valuations lower the expected future value of the income stream from investments.

    AlanS #30 has done the work to show what someone on median wage can do – roughly double the income from the State Pension. I’m not a FATFire London City boy by any means, but I do question whether that sort of view is worth the climb. And that’s as far as I want to go on this comment, because total hat tip and well earned to TI for winning the game. I would question why he’s still working, because there’s something else he’s running out of 24 hours a day, but at least now it sounds like that’s 100% his elective call. Well done sir!

    * I am hoping it’s not the last transmission, as has been so often the case for PF bloggers crossing the FI event horizon to RE

  • 38 The Investor May 15, 2024, 2:19 pm

    @ermine — You write:

    I am hoping it’s not the last transmission, as has been so often the case for PF bloggers crossing the FI event horizon to RE

    Apologies if it wasn’t clear, but my becoming FI isn’t a new thing, it happened (as I define it*) a few years ago.

    The post was just using my experiences to try to put the arc into context for younger investors and those in the midst of the journey.

    One day I may yet do an ‘achieved FI’ post like TA’s, but it’s not really my style tbh. (TA’s ‘made it!’ post: https://monevator.com/fire/)

    *Some would say I am not FI anyway because I still have my big interest-only mortgage. But I think of that as more lower-risk leverage for my equity adventures. If I rented somewhere half the size of my flat I’d probably pay more than I do in mortgage costs as rent. Or I could downsize, move out a few zones, and release the equity. Or I could pay the mortgage off out of ISAs (which I don’t want to do *at all*).

    Long story short: business as usual here. 😉

  • 39 The Investor May 15, 2024, 2:20 pm

    p.s. Thanks to everyone for the nice words and helpful additional comments!

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