You don’t need to be paid-up member of the Monevator mafia to recognize the pain of rising interest rates.
All you need is a mortgage.
Rates soared in 2022. And anyone coming off a fixed-rate mortgage they’d bagged in the near-zero era found they were on the queasiest roller-coaster ride since a post-beers jaunt at Munich’s Oktoberfest.
That includes me. I got my mortgage in 2018. The rate was 2%, interest-only, fixed for five years. Due to my unusual income and asset profile I had to literally write to the CEO of a bank to secure it.
Thankfully, the CEO immediately saw the sense. But please do keep this in mind with what follows.
If you’re a vanilla mortgage customer, then you’ve far more options for dealing with rate volatility than me.
I wrote about stress testing your mortgage in June 2022. We also ran through a mortgage risks checklist. After doing your sums, you might well have concluded an early repayment charge was worth paying to lock in a new deal before rates rose further.
But I was too nervous to prod my bank. In fact, I wasn’t 100% sure what would happen when my deal expired. The CEO had left. The bank seemed more risk averse. Would it do something mad like ask me to repay in full? (On the face of it against the 25-year term, but you never know.)
A few inquiries established that other banks still didn’t want my custom – not any more than five years ago. Shopping around like most people wasn’t an option for me.
So I waited for my automatic three-month ‘remortgaging window’ to open. I hoped to snag a new rate with a few clicks via my bank’s online platform. All without a human staffer raising an eyebrow.
But then came Liz Truss.
Budget bazooka
The Tories have given me many reasons to regret my rare vote for them in 2010.
The Referendum. The hard Brexit interpretation of the close result. Boris Johnson.
“Hold my pint,” said Liz Truss, before unleashing her Mini Budget.
Already climbing, bond yields and swap rates soared just as my remortgage window opened. Every time Kwasi Kwarteng spoke, I needed to find another £100 a month for the next five years.
Can you spot the Mini Budget below?
Truss and Kwarteng weren’t responsible for all that climb. And yields remained elevated even after they got their marching orders.
But that extreme spike, with no signs of stopping? Lenders slashing their mortgage ranges and hiking rates on what was left? Pension funds on the point of blowing-up?
The worry felt by ordinary people having to make a huge long-term decision with the serenity of an engineer using a slide rule on the dodgems?
That was made in Whitehall.
Up, up, and away
Even before my remortgage window opened, I was watching swap rates and daily visiting my bank’s (admirably transparent) mortgage website page.
For a good while its relatively low rates didn’t budge.
I wondered why.
Were customers truly being offered these rates? Did it have some tranche of cheap funding to work through? Was it desperate for market share?
All very interesting. But what I should have been doing was grabbing its five-year fixed-rate – then under 4% – with both hands.
Sure enough, one day I refreshed the rates tab to find all its mortgages had jumped up by more than a full percentage point.
Indeed at its worst, a five-year fixed rate for my loan-to-value rose to well over 5%. That compared to the 3.5% I was modeling in summer, and of course the (now fantasy land) 2% I was coming off.
The rate hike would pump-up payments on my chunky interest-only mortgage overnight from much less than £1,000 a month to more than £2,300.
Now, it’s worth reminding readers – especially if you haven’t read my mortgage origin story above – that at all times I had far more than sufficient assets in my ISAs and elsewhere to pay off the mortgage completely. I could use my assets to pay the monthly repayments too.
So this wasn’t an existential threat.
It was, however, a sucker punch.
Like most stockpickers I’d gone from giddy markets and a frothy portfolio in summer 2021 to a seriously battered warchest. Now I faced a squeeze on my cash flow too.
To compound things, I’d eased off freelance work in those heady 2021 days. So I had less cash coming in to call upon. Maybe I’d end up drawing down my portfolio years ahead of schedule.
Thankfully, while I fretted about all this Truss was ousted and swap rates finally eased. That implied mortgage rates would soon come down, too.
I decided to wait a while longer. I even gamed out paying my bank’s Standard Variable Rate (then well north of 7%) for a few months if it looked like rates would fall rapidly – though going on to the SVR would be heinously expensive, at more than £3,000 a month.
Mortgages and emotions
Despite seeing light at the end of the tunnel, I had to concede all this was stressing me out.
Which surprised me. I’ve many years experience of juggling my net worth and more recently running a portfolio an order of magnitude (and then some) bigger than my best-ever annual earnings.
One time I liquidated half my tax-sheltered portfolio in a morning – and then headed out for a jog.
I’m not saying this as a flex. It’s just to highlight that I’ve done my shift in the trenches with big financial decisions – and I’m usually pretty rational about finances and investing.
But this mortgage rate volatility had given me the willies.
I even called The Accumulator. His sage advice was to pay off some of the mortgage while I waited to see where rates went. And to pay attention to how it made me feel.
Maybe I could pay down some more if I felt an overwhelming sense of relief?
Or maybe not, if I didn’t.
Fortunately, I still had a big chunk of cash lying around from my sale of unsheltered shares in Spring 2021 – especially from dumping a massively over-sized Amazon position.
I had done this selling partly fearing a capital gains tax hike, and regretted it when CGT rates were left unchanged.
That regret was eased when tech shares plummeted later in the year.
Now I was actually grateful to my former self.
I paid off 10% of my mortgage balance and sat back to enjoy the endorphin rush.
But there was none.
The projected monthly mortgage payment amount dropped by a couple of hundred quid or so, but to me it still looked like I would be paying out the equivalent of a foreign holiday a month out of sheer bad luck, given how I’d unwittingly anchored to my previous lower rate.
Also, I missed having all that cash to hand. It had stood ready to help with those higher bills, for one thing.
And there were other dramas on my way to remortgaging.
For instance, the bank’s online platform borked, and for a few days I thought my account had perhaps been flagged for investigation. I’d discovered I could ‘bank’ a mortgage offer and then wait to see if rates fell further, but these technical issues complicated even that.
I ended up talking with staff after all. At least they reassured me that I was definitely going to be able to remortgage.
Finally – after just a month on that ball-breaking Standard Variable Rate – I refreshed the mortgage page to saw a new five-year fix at just under 4.5%. I’d pay a little over £1,600 a month.
I checked the URL and reloaded. It was still there. So I did the necessary, and finally felt some relief.
Of course a few weeks later my bank was offering well below 4% for the same fix! Which is entirely on-brand for this saga.
But at least the 10% I’d paid off wasn’t a wasted experiment.
Only by making this payment had I put myself into the bank’s best loan-to-value band. Which was what had enabled me to bag its best five-year fixed rate.
Small victories.
Late to the party
I’ve gone into all this biographical detail because some of you have been reading about my mortgage adventures for many years now. A few of you asked about my remortgaging, too.
In fact I’ve previously had to explain in Monevator comments why I wasn’t remortgaging in Summer 2022.
While we do always need to beware hindsight bias – almost no-one predicted what rates did last year – I believe if I hadn’t been nervous about rattling my bank, I would have remortgaged early in June or July.
After all I was writing those stress-test articles (linked to above), and I’d warned about the regime change to higher rates several months before that.
Remortgaging in summer would have secured 3.5% fixed for five years – and maybe more sleep.
And it’s that sleep point which is motivating my slightly self-flagellating tone today.
A mortgage is still a debt
To be clear, I have never been against paying off a mortgage. My articles on investing instead have invariably noted that paying down the mortgage is usually a sensible decision for most people.
That’s true even when the mathematics say otherwise – inspiring more risk-hungry souls like myself to see mortgage debt as cheap funding for investment.
And I knew a big reason to pay off early was the emotional dividend. Not being stressed about being on the hook for a mountain of debt – nor even worrying about the monthly repayments.
However it’s one thing to know something and another to live it.
I’d already learned that carrying a big mortgage potentially affected my investing. (I partly blame my huge Tesla investing misstep on getting used to being a borrower.)
But that dread I felt during the remortgage process, of being at the mercy of chance – and political ideologues – was far more unpleasant than I expected.
As a lifelong debt hater, I’d highlighted to a skeptical friend when I took out my mortgage in 2018 that for the first time I’d opened up a path to going bankrupt (however unlikely). The potential was now there for my mortgage to outweigh my assets in a 1930s-style crash, putting me underwater.
So I was alive to my aversion even to mortgage debt, which is by far the most palatable kind of borrowing.
Yet when things got hairy, I’d discovered I felt threatened by the mortgage in a way that I’ve never been worried by, say, a bear market.
Admittedly, paying down £50,000 didn’t do much to alleviate things. I’m guessing there’s something binary going on between having any debt and none.
But that was a lesson too.
Again, I’ve long known retaining a big cash cushion was reassuring, even if it’s theoretically sub-optimal.
But I missed it more than I anticipated once it was gone.
So I’ve changed my mind about some things
Despite this rather emotional journey, I’ll keep running my mortgage for the foreseeable.
However the episode did result in some changes to my portfolio – I now maintain an explicit buffer of lower-risk assets, partitioned from my usual investing antics – and also to my long-term thinking.
I can’t now imagine going into true retirement with the mortgage, for example. Before I’d wondered whether I’d ever pay it off, versus letting it dwindle into inflation-adjusted insignificance if I could.
So let this be a moment for you pay-off-the-mortgage militants to enjoy a bit of schadenfreude.
Like I said, I never thought paying it off was the wrong decision for anyone.
But I do now feel it’s a bit more right than I did before.
Why I stayed invested and kept the mortgage
Given the finer margins of investment returns versus the higher cost of debt – not to mention my remortgaging drama in the midst of market chaos – why didn’t I just get shot of the thing?
Again, paying it off would be perfectly sane.
However for various reasons I didn’t.
It’ll probably still be more profitable to invest. Even on standard expected returns, my portfolio should still outperform over the next 20 years if tax-sheltered. However it’s a far closer call – and paying off a mortgage is a sure thing, versus uncertain investment returns. So it’s my own active track record I’m looking to, personally. This is holding well into double-digits per annum even after a terrible 2022. Fingers crossed. (Try our spreadsheet to explore the maths for yourself.)
Retaining tax shelters (ISAs). This has always been a prime motivation for my having a mortgage. If my portfolio couldn’t be tax sheltered in ISAs, I’d probably ditch the debt. I’d also consider doing so if annual ISA allowances were unlimited, on the grounds I could rebuild the shelter later. But the ISA allowance is a use-it-or-lose-it affair. Who knows where my finances will be in a decade or two? If I’m lucky though and I continue along the same track, I’ll be pleased to have built up a seven-figure tax-shielding ISA fortress. (See Finumus’ article on borrowing just to fill your ISA each year.)
It’s a hedge against hyper-inflation. We need to do a proper article on this, because you can tie yourself in knots. High inflation quickly erodes the ‘real’ value of debt in today’s terms. Hurrah! But what if whatever you spent the mortgage on languishes? If house prices fall or are stagnant, was it still a hedge? (I think so…) But I’m invested, too – so what about market returns? Or what if incomes rise fast, making it easier to pay off? Where do taxes fit in? (Inflation ‘gains’ on eroding debt aren’t taxed…) Broadly, I see my big mortgage as a hedge against high inflation. It aligns me too with the government, which also has a debt problem. The cost is extra risk – though inflation does diversify my need to achieve high investment returns. (Everyone with debt ‘earns’ when higher inflation erodes its real value, regardless of skill.)
I might not ever be able to get another mortgage in size. This won’t apply to most. But unless I decide to ramp up my income massively, I’ll never be able to replace this mortgage. (Recall: I had to go to a CEO for it.) Even if I was earning the six-figures required, I’d more likely put most of my earnings into my SIPP – at least while the lifetime allowance is in abeyance.
I’m not running a fund professionally. Very personal. A few years ago I threw in the towel on the idea of running money professionally. A story for another day. Anyway, I sort of see the mortgage as my nod to running Other People’s Money. My bank’s money! It’s my small way of using external assets to grow my wealth.
More than a feeling
I don’t fault anyone whose response to 2022 was to pay down their mortgage, pronto.
Even more power to you if you saw this coming and did the deed earlier.
For now I soldier on – though this may change if and when the facts and my finances do.
Or if Liz Truss somehow gets back into office. (I think I’d sell my flat and emigrate.)
Having dealt with the emotional and personal side, I’ll look at the numbers more generally in a fortnight or so. Subscribe to our free email updates to ensure you see it!
A timely article. Like you I took out a mortgage in 2018 with a fixed rate of circa 2%. Since then I have tried to make 10% overpayments each year whilst avoiding any nasty early repayment fess. My fixed rate runs out October this year and am planning to clear my remaining mortgage of circa £50K through selling some ISA funds. Appreciate your point about losing the tax free status on ISAs however for me the emotional value of being finally mortgage free means I can sleep better without worrying about future rates rises.
Once mortgage free I am planning to ‘pay myself’ the same monthly mortgage amount into my ISA to help replenish funds. Suspect that there are a number of others coming off a fixed rate this year and would be interested in hearing what is your strategy and why?
> Everyone with debt ‘earns’ when higher inflation erodes its real value, regardless of skill.
I’m still trying to bottom out what’s wrong with this. I think if it’s true debt (ie you don’t have capital assets matching it) then perhaps I’ll give the point, my Dad paid down his mortgage earlier in life than I did, because: 1970s inflation.
But I’m not sure about your case, where you have financial capital assets (other than the house) exposed to the inflation too…
The June 2022 piece really stuck in my head, but I too didn’t prod the bank (Santander, in my case) as the difference between the sums involved wasn’t much in the end after running the numbers. Currently on a 1.59% interest only deal until August 2024. Hoping to ride it out to then and hope things have dropped down again by that point before fixing again (hope being the operative word but obviously that is a strategy – have been overpaying a bit but this only amounts to a few % of LTV value). One thing on the horizon in the mid future is a house move, but hoping to, and can, port the current deal and move somewhere further out of London, larger and of a similar value, but currently postponed due to family situations and recent contracts roles.
One thing I can’t decide, now back in a permanent role – to overpay mortgage more, to keep investing in S&S ISA (roughly with a 30% saving rate) or to build up the cash buffer to take advantage of the higher cash saving rates and fixed deals now, with the knowledge that is still losing money in real terms. Probably can only do 1, possibly 2 of the 3, I suspect.
Thanks again for the musings and info.
My fixed rate expires in November. If I liquidated most of my ISAs, I could pay it all off but that would be the end of my plans to retire early. Right now, just overpaying so will be at 60% LTV and hopefully get the best rates available. But to fix at 2 years or 5 years? Tempted to chance it and go for the shorter option. Maybe.
Investor,
Do you remember when you thought I was wrong to suggest mortgage rates could get higher and that borrowing to invest was a bad idea. This was your response:
“The Investor
March 18, 2016, 11:47 pm
@Paul — Hi, thanks for commenting. All for a bit of constructive dissent, but while you say the article is “extremely naive and short-termist”, your own comment is far too sure of itself IMHO.
For instance, the standard variable rate UK mortgage rates haven’t been 8% since the late 1990s. So that’s 15-years ago, and when base rates were far higher. That’s 15 years of a 25-year mortgage right there. Yet you talk about “historical norms”…
Meanwhile, we currently exist in a world of near-zero interest rates, and have done for seven years. The only way mortgage rates are going to 8% in the next 10 years or so (and probably beyond) will be if the Central Banks lose track of inflation, at which point *having* a big mortgage would be desirable (because hyper-inflation erodes debt fast).
Finally, to make your inaccurate, overly-alarmist case more credible, you talk about investing outside of an ISA.
Why? Why would someone investing instead of paying off their mortgage do that? No, they’d sock their £15K away into an ISA, and so tax on returns wouldn’t be relevant until the mortgage is over at least £275,000 at today’s rates. Beyond that you could use your capital gains tax allowance sensibly and so forth.
As I’ve said plenty of times before, a majority of middle class professionals have a mortgage and save into a pension at the same time. Most, I imagine. So by the logic of the mortgage alarmists, they are all following bad advice too.
Don’t get me wrong, I think there is NOTHING wrong with paying off a mortgage as fast as you can. It is one of the safest investment you can make in terms of guaranteed return, though it does have disadvantages — in particular woeful diversification (all your investment eggs are in one basket — residential property, and just one residential property at that).
And I fully agree there are greater risks with continuing to invest when you could be paying off the mortgage instead, especially outside of employer-matching pensions and the like.
But in return, there are potentially greater rewards. It’s a decision. That’s what investing is about.
There’s no need to over-egg the pudding with fantasy interest rates and over-the-top critiques.”
Maybe you should have listened instead of being so cocky!
That small company owners taking payment in dividends, no matter how high or how regular, cannot get a mortgage because it is not considered income, despite HMRC’s take on it, continues to be bizarre to me.
You went on to proudly say the following to someone else who dared to challenge your views:
“A ten-year fixed rate mortgage of 3% is 40% of the life of a mortgage. It’s very significant. It also gives you ten years to change course if for some reason mortgage rates leap to 8%, which absolutely nobody thinks remotely credible. (The 10-year gilt yield is currently near 1.5%, and the market still fears deflation).
We’ve all had our say for now.”
You were then so pleased with yourself that you closed down any further comments.
While I appreciate you eating a little bit of humble pie, I can’t but feel your credibility is severely tarnished.
@Paul — My mortgage rate is 4.5%, not 8%. I’m investing inside of an ISA, not outside of it. It’s 2023, not 2016 and Central Banks arguably did lose track of inflation, given that they were still saying it would be transitory as recently as 18 months ago and it got into double-digits. After a pandemic.
Even in the quote you extract, you (sportingly) quote me as saying: “Don’t get me wrong, I think there is NOTHING wrong with paying off a mortgage as fast as you can.”
As someone who puts their views on the Internet, I’m very used to people digging up old stuff (because nobody is perfect, definitely including me) but this seems a bit of an over-enthusiastic victory lap Paul.
I haven’t learned anything new about mortgages or the risks. I’ve learned something new about my having one, at least in a time of market duress. And I thought it was an interesting experience others might reflect on with respect to their own finances, and see how they felt too.
Rather than eating humble pie / being so cocky either way.
(If I recall correctly I closed down comments on that thread because it was almost like bots were appearing to post their anti-mortgage views (not your comments as far as I know), at least some of them appeared to be auto-generated, and I was bored of deleting them. (It’s possible I’m mixing this up with another mortgage thread, I haven’t got time to search for the comments you’re extracting right now, it’s bedtime).)
@WeeScott, in a similar mortgage timeframe as @JDW. I’m hugely reluctant to extract from my ISAs; diamonds and the tax-free statuses of ISAs are forever 🙂 Right now, contemplating paying down most when the fix ends (via a private mortgage deal from a family member who will come into a lump sum pension but has maxed out ISAs) and remortgaging with a 2 year fix.
@Always Late — I believe some banks that are happy to deal with the self-employed or company owners/directors will take into account dividends, if regularly paid over a number of years.
My issue was that my income was trivially small compared to my borrowing requirements and asset base, partly because I’ve long used SIPP contributions to try to minimize my higher-rate taxes. Perhaps I should write “get a mortgage this large” all the time but it would be a bit clumsy.
Let’s say I was showing average income of about £45,000 (dividends and salary) for 2015-2018. (I haven’t got the number to hand). That might get a standard mortgage even from a of about £150,000-£200,000, depending. In London buying my first property in my mid-40s, I had decided to spend over £500,000 (for a minimum two beds in a nice property with zones 1-3). This might have required my liquidating at least £250,000 from ISAs (or selling down unsheltered holdings for a capital gains tax hit, as I did in 2021) which was what I was desperately seeking to avoid. And in the end I ended up buying a place for much more than £500K.
But as I say in my original piece, from a bank’s point of view I feel I was a good bet as even back then I had more than sufficient assets to immediately pay back the mortgage from non-pension assets if required in extremis.
Of course from its POV there’s also a risk I’d spend the assets on Lamborghinis once I had the debt I suppose. Seems vanishingly unlikely when looking at a customer who has saved/grown such sums over 25 years, but I see the point.
One mortgage specialist broker was prepared to offer me a mortgage against my portfolio if I handed over control of the latter to it for this reason. Which obviously wasn’t happening! 🙂
I’m in a similar boat. Our 5 year circa 2% fixed mortgage ends in November, LTV of 40-50%. I too paid off 10% last year and may consider doing it again this year. Not causing me loss of sleep yet, but not looking forward to revaluating my cash flows when we do remortgage.
@Paul & @TI – at the risk of being overly generic & consensus building here:
So many of these debates don’t have binary right/wrong answer.
What works for one investor with one timeframe and one risk appetite doesn’t for another with different circumstances.
A strategy which worked fine during one period may not in another, most often when the background circumstances were different, but sometimes even when they were quite similar.
Almost nothing is guaranteed.
Somethings do look fairly unambiguously ‘dodgy’ for typical retail investors – e.g.: leveraged ETFs based upon compounding daily returns; and structured products (other, maybe, than as short term hedges in specific circumstances), especially CFDs and spread betting (not least based upon the industry’s own stats that 70-80% of retail clients loose money on them).
But many other questions are difficult judgment calls informed by complex and varying considerations for different investors facing different challenges – e.g. pure passive beta or go core and explore with some active tilts; momentum v value; will anomalies survive discovery by academics and commercialisation by the investment industry (Mom, Val & Small Cap ETFs and funds); and did those anomalies actually exist at all net of spreads, other trading frictions and the impact of survivorship bias (the reproducibility crisis in research etc)?
These (and many, many other such questions) are hard in that there is no clear answer to them, not just because academic literature points in different directions (even if it may have a skew towards a view) and because evidence is incomplete and difficult to compare and interpret; but also because any ‘answer’ (to the extent that there can be one) is going to mean different things depending on the investor’s objectives, temperament and situation.
And that’s before we get into the conundrum that we’ve only access to the one history of what did happen and no direct ability to ascertain with certainty what the landscape of possibilities of what might have happened instead looks like (we can perhaps somewhat infer it by ‘bootstrapping’ the actual data of what did occur using Monte Carlo analysis etc, but this relies on what did happen being, in some sense, not atypical of the much larger range of what could have taken place, and we just don’t – and can’t – know if it was or it wasn’t).
So Paul can be right, and so can the TI.
It all depends on the timescales involved, the particular attitude to risk / reward, and the individual’s own circumstances and investment perspectives and goals; all of which can, and do, vary from person to person.
Really interesting article and follows alot of my own thought process . The liquidity aspect of isas is hard to overstate I think and the penny dropped for me a few years ago.
Having built up decent pensions and equity with a small amount of isa savings I finally twigged the advantage of carrying a mortgage and investing instead (took me long enough)
I fixed a repayment mortgage at 2.5% 6 years ago and then about a year after fixing rang the bank (santander ) and asked about going interest only which to my surprise they accepted.
At the end of 2001 I paid a 13k penalty to break my long term fix and remortgage at 0.99% till Jan 2027 . This still saves me over 7k over the period . Very glad now I did
I was originally planning on using tax free cash from my pension to clear this at 58 (currently 42) but decided to build my isas up to sufficient value I could pay it off at any time which ive now done with 4 years to go. I hold about 20% in premium bonds so I can pay a chunk off when it comes up for renewal
The bit I’m unsure about now with 4 years to go is whether I continue paying into investments or build up cash instead . I feel like 4 years is still long enough to continue investing especially in light of being 18 months into a downturn the upside seems more likely than the downside and I’ll still be fine if it turns out things are patchy come remortgage time. The key is flexibity
I’m also far more cautious than you on borrowing. 270k mortgage with a 130k combined salary with partner and I. I’ve thought about upsizing ( running say a 400k to 500k mortgage in the knowledge its ‘only’ 100k or 200k in reality ) but now find I dislike the idea of running a mortgage bigger than my isa investments now. Like you I don’t want to liquidate the investments
2021 not 2001!
The Investor,
Just to confirm, are you invested 100% in equities, or do you have any bonds in your portfolio?
Very interesting post.
As you may recall I’m in the “pay-off-the-mortgage” camp. But no schadenfreude hereabouts!
Two stand out phrases for me were:
1) “However it’s one thing to know something and another to live it”; and
2) “Again, I’ve long known retaining a big cash cushion was reassuring, even if it’s theoretically sub-optimal. But I missed it more than I anticipated once it was gone.”
Possibly something to do with being a human being?
@Andy — I have all sorts of assets at different times, including various bonds, with lower-returning / theoretically less volatile assets mostly hived into that ‘non-antics’ portfolio I mentioned. The specifics / allocations change all the time.
To anticipate perhaps your next question, I don’t see a problem with owning, say, an ETF of government bonds with a yield to maturity (inside the ISA) of say 4% at the same time as paying 4.5% outside of the ISA. 🙂
Investing over 20 years is a long-term process, not a snapshot, and bonds (usually) do more than deliver a return. Plus, as I say, I tinker frequently. (Daily at times, though that’s rare).
For cash outside of the tax shelters this was a more pertinent concern. And moot now, given I mostly used it to pay down the mortgage.
Thanks Investor. So your stock allocation alone is greater than the outstanding balance on your mortgage then?
@Andy — I don’t really want to get into the micro-details of *my* portfolio, because it will change and then readers will come back and say “But you said…” in the future. But in answer to your question this one time: yes.
@Time like infinity — I couldn’t agree more. (Remember, I think it’s perfectly rational for people to pay of the mortgage. It’s some critics who seem to think there’s no circumstances where you should not do anything but try to pay it off ASAP. Despite the fact that nearly every middle-class professional at some time runs a mortgage while paying into a pension in practice. It’s just more opaque for them, versus the clarity of my situation.)
It’s similar to the discussion about what asset allocation to hold in this circumstance.
My asset allocation is determined by numerous factors, including my active decisions, my general feelings about different market(s) (bull, bear, expensive, cheap, everything in between), relative valuation, my own ex-investing cash flow, my advancing age, my feelings about rates and refinancing, how good my decisions have been recently (am I on tilt?!), whether my mum is going to need help to refurbish how house in the next two years or not (a moving target), and many many more.
This is a bit of a tangent, but someone will read somebody on the Internet saying “hey, I’m really confident and have £10,000 in Bitcoin / Amazon / gilts / kumquats”.
If they give a thesis for why they own it, that’s interesting. The fact they do, and the magnitude of their ownership, is irrelevant unless you know an awful lot more about them.
Interesting.
To me it’s a simple case of weighing up the cost of borrowing against the expected investment return.
I’m in the fortunate position of having a SIPP that I could use to pay off the remaining mortgage, but as I’m still working, I’d rather not touch it.
Instead I extended the term of my current account mortgage by 5 years until I’m 70 because despite the recent rate rises, it is still pretty cheap. While I’m working the balance will head pretty rapidly to zero but if I do need a short term loan, it’s simple to borrow what I need.
I’ve never been in the rush to pay off the mortgage camp. It may be because of my previous life as a money market trader.
You could transfer some mortgage debt onto 0% credit cards (maybe use 0% purchase cards to buy stuff and use the money freed up against the mortgage or held in cash savings, then when the 0% deal ends you can balance transfer to another 0% card for a 3% ish fee – then that debt isn’t secured against the house, and you’ll get interest on money that isn’t yours. It’s safer to keep it as cash though, rather than against the mortgage, in case you couldn’t balance transfer enough
@Matthew — I do run a 0% interest rate credit card debt at all times, rolling it every couple of years and usually topping it up with a couple of (scheduled!) capital purchases. But nothing more ambitious than that.
Back in the good old ‘stoozing’ heyday (20 years ago) I used to know somebody with a six-figure 0% credit card debt, where all the proceeds were sitting in an offset mortgage!
From memory the stoozed cash completely covered the outstanding mortgage balance, meaning that a credit card marketing trick was paying for the roof over his head.
Of course, investing risk cannot be created or destroyed. 😉 He was taking on refinance risk and others. (He was a well-paid city worker, rather like @PC perhaps, and was doing the whole thing for a wheeze, basically. 🙂 )
Thanks for that. Could that be because you are now giving paid for advice, sorry information, which is based on dogma, wild speculation and trying to predict the future, and then backpedaling later on?
We moved house last year and increased our mortgage to about £235k over 38 years. My strategy at the moment is to put 25% of my pay into my pension to reduce higher rate tax and overpay the mortgage slightly until the mortgage is <£200k.
This is then well below 4.5 x my salary but gives plenty of scope for inflation to erode the debt away over the next 25-30 years of working. The idea being that when the mortgage is only 5 figures it could be re-mortgaged and invested.
I don't quite have the mettle to run an interest-only mortgage even if mathematically it makes sense but also didn't want huge monthly payments over 15 years etc so opted for the 38 years with overpayments. What say you?
@Andy — Sorry, I thought we were having a conversation in good faith. Feel free to go read something else rather than cluttering up this thread. Cheers.
Thank you for this. I find personal histories of others helpful in striking my own balance between cold rationality and peace of mind, in investment decisions.
Nice article and a bit of a check on the human side of sleeping easy at night despite the theoretical merits of other strategies.
I’ve always tried to paydown my mortgage fairly aggressively and/or run my cash savings in an offset mortgage account. I’ve definitely missed out on real estate appreciation by not buying the biggest and best property I could theoretically extend myself to and no doubt post 2008 missed out on bigger investment returns by holding cash in offset. But the payoff has been a form of FI even if I didn’t recognise it as such at the time. Work becomes less stressful when you realise you can be sacked or you can choose to walk away without worrying about the biggest monthly expense.
Of course I could probably have hit RE numbers earlier with a more leveraged strategy so I’ve paid some price for the sleep easy strategy.
@John — Cheers for that, I find them helpful to read too which is why I very occasionally write them. 🙂
@all — Thanks for (nearly all of) the comments. Interesting to read the different takes out there.
@matthew yes a 0% credit card balance transfer would make a lot of sense but although I’m well paid, I’m a contractor and getting loans and cards is very hit and miss. The cards I do have charge close to the mortgage rate as a fee for balance transfers.
This is a part of the reason why I extended the term of the mortgage, it’s just a secured overdraft limit. I’ll use it if it makes sense. I find peace of mind in having it there in case I need it.
Just to clarify that my post (number 25) is a different Andy to the one who posted number 24. 🙂
I know this is the internet but the aggressive nature of some of the other comments towards Monevator and TI seem somewhat toxic… Circumstances changes and therefore so do our strategies.
Interesting to read a personal account, helps us remember we’re all human and impacted in different ways by different external factors. We all also have very different capacity for risk.
In our house we’ve very recently switched 70% of our monthly S&S ISA contributions into mortgage overpayments. Brought about by rising rates, desire to get rid of the noose around the neck, pragmatic certainty of 4+% return.
However for reasons listed by many others, I don’t have the appetite to sell ISA shares to pay down the mortgage. Pension contributions also remain highest priority given the tax benefits.
Great article, really enjoyed it
@TI “Back in the good old ‘stoozing’ heyday (20 years ago) I used to know somebody with a six-figure 0% credit card debt, where all the proceeds were sitting in an offset mortgage!”
Precisely what I did. I did not take on any risk doing it though, simply paid off from the mortgage offset account if I could not roll over to another CC.
My offset mortgage (BOE Base + 0.5%) is currently in a “Paid Off” state. If I could think of something better to do with the money I would, but I have to pay off the mortgage next year anyway.
I got lucky timing wise and have a 1.29% IO offset until late 2026.
Got a reasonably large (say 3x mortgage) GIA with HL that I created in 2019. That’s performed terribly since, so can use that to pay down to a minimal amount if things no better interest rate wise by then without any CGT worries.
Note I would have much rather have a CGT problem obvs.
Got murdered by my gilts, saved by my global equity and the dividend hero type ITs have done nothing capital wise but have (as hoped) provided a nicely increasing divi stream.
So all in, I’m not too stressed about the mortgage situation, I didn’t take much leverage risk (I couldn’t as no-one would lend me any more) and I have been lucky with timing.
On a tangent, nasty little trolling strategy to post with same name like that, very unscrupulous!
Really nice reflective article sprinkled with fantastic phrases. I’m particularly thankful @TI that you are so open about how you felt through the process and after you did take action. You never know how people are feeling unless they tell you. An interesting insight into what could be going on under the water for those beautiful money swans swimming upriver with packed ISAs and SIPPs on their back!
Your article was only topped off by the pure glee in @Paul’s “I told you so” comment above! I like to imagine that quote has been on his clipboard for 7 years waiting for just such an occasion.
Brilliant post as always. I can never understand how someone can be so bitter in their comments. It really doesn’t make sense and is an incredibly poor human trait.
I sold my educational business in May 2021 and wanted to hedge my bets a little and pay off half of my mortgage. I then broke my fix (a year remaining so not a huge termination) and switched the remaining balance to interest only for five years. I just had a hunch at the time that things couldn’t really get any better than they were and it made sense to lock in such a fantastic rate as soon as possible (1.19% for 5 years).
It’s proven to be a hugely successful decision. My mortgage payments are less than an expensive gym membership and I’ve still got three years of breathing space for rates to hopefully improve. My plan is to get things below £100,000 and stick with that for the medium/long term.
My business partner at the time paid his entire mortgage off with the proceeds of the sale. We all view risk differently but it felt as though ‘hedging my bets’ was the best approach. I am happy with my results and so is he. Shows how personal the finance side becomes and how ridiculous the comments above are.
What’s funny is that despite being in a position where I can pay it off if I needed to I still feel nervous about the current rates which make me think you can always construct scenarios with your money and you’re never really fully comfortable.
It’s always wonderful to read the comments and look at other people’s approaches. I learn so much from this site. Thanks again!
Just wanted to leave a comment to say thanks for the article and the blog in general. It’s a shame that these normally very helpful comments sections have been hijacked by someone/some people with a vendetta against the blog. On topic we have sold our house earlier this year and are renting for a while. We’ve been trying to move for ages and wanted to lock in the equity we’ve built up. Clearly we might have made a mistake but house prices must surely be affected by the steep rise in interest rates in my view.
Interesting post, thank you and fascinating comments.
Having for most of my working life paid into a pension, filled my ISAs and overpaid the mortgage, I remortgaged in mid 2008 to a lifetime tracker rate base plus 0.27%- at the time 5.27% (I was irritated because they pulled the rate I applied for- base plus 17bps- the week I finally got round to applying).
As rates plummeted in the following years I stopped the mortgage overpayments and put more in investments (as well as being able to afford to move to a 4 day week). Fast forward to October 2022: I had retired a couple of months earlier with £50k left on the mortgage, and was paid £55k as my share of the sale proceeds of my late father’s house. I didn’t find it easy to decide whether to pay off the mortgage or invest the cash. In light of the rising interest rates, and because my husband who is generally more cautious and also considerably less well paid than me said now I was no longer earning it would help him sleep better, I eventually opted to pay off the mortgage. I am still not 100% sure but I think that was probably right for us – but fully agree there isn’t a clear right answer.
I use the same strategy as the investor. My sequence of savings is pretty straight forward, 20K(rainyday)>>SIPP>>LISA>>ISA>>mortgage over-payment.
I formulated this strategy in 2017-18 when I brought my house (aged 38). Needless to say I have never over paid my mortgage (yet).
I intend to work until my isa is >>than my mortgage + 60k/yr left to age 57, as I am sure when that happens, my lisas and sipps will have enough to see me through.
As such I have no fixed retirement date. I will work until its necessary. No rules or specific dates. No excel sheets or calculations.
@investor: I follow your journey with great interest. I am following the same principles of mortgage / leverage and investment. I though have it slightly easy on the mortgage front as I am (and will be) in full time work and my mortgage is already below 4.5x our household income. Not that you need any encouragement, but keep posting updates, it’s great to compare and contrast 🙂
Regards,
Rishi
Great post. Just going to remind people that keeping your ISA tax shelter intact AND saving yourself high interest on your mortgage is possible with a bit of contortion: https://monevator.com/should-you-borrow-to-fill-your-isa-each-year/
@ioza – We also sold our property which allowed us to reach our FIRE number and semi-retire. We have been renting for the last 2 years and will look to buy a cheaper property when the right place comes up. Personally, it has been an unexpectedly good decision, although at the time we had a few nervous moments as house prices continued to rise for 6 months or so after we sold. But in the current environment, I am not so concerned that house prices will run away from me over the next few years and the returns on the money we would have spent on a house more than cover my rent (even without considering the maintenance costs of owning a house).
The best thing renting for us is the opportunity to try before you buy in terms of location. Our current rental is in a location we would never have bought a house in if we hadn’t rented, but now we will probably buy a house here.
@AndyP that’s an interesting comment which is giving me food for thought, as we are planning to relocate in next 2 to 3 years (moving from south coast to further north to release equity and be closer to offspring in Manchester) . “Easy reach of Manchester “ covers a pretty wide area and maybe renting for a bit would b3 a good idea
“For a good while its relatively low rates didn’t budge. I wondered why. Were customers truly being offered these rates? Did it have some tranche of cheap funding to work through? Was it desperate for market share?”
Banks pre-hedge their pipeline based on expected volumes. Paragon reported a ~£200m derivative fair value gain in their most recent results from this.
Mortgages are probably the most emotional of financial investments: paying for the roof over your head / the home for your family. Kudos to TI for opening up his personal situation to scrutiny and criticism.
I remortgaged mid last year, paying a 3k penalty to fix at 2.94% for 3 years. In hindsight a great decision, but could have been even better had I fixed for 5. I’ve held off on overpaying until things are more certain, but it will be great when the last penny on this lifetime debt gets paid!
@all — Thanks as ever for the comments (and the supportive words) and it’s really interesting to hear how many takes there are on such a fundamental cog in the personal finance machine.
I think @Ryan’s post illustrates this beautifully, with the contrasting approaches — and yet equal satisfaction — of two (I presume) broadly similar individuals, reflecting their own personalities.
And perhaps a bit of confirmation bias? In that it’s a good human survival trait and somewhat ingrained mental habit to believe you made the best decision once you’ve made it.
My flat increased my outgoings on ‘frippery’ (you know, sofas and beds 😉 ) through the roof, took money away from my profitable investing, whacks me with regular bills I didn’t expect (boiler issues, upcoming refurb of communal parts) and I don’t think the price has gone anywhere in five years.
Yet I genuinely believe that buying it was an excellent decision and that I’ve loved living here.
It’d be an interesting exercise to live for a moment in a counter-factual universe where I kept renting, maxxed out investing and presumably ongoing saving, and maybe had a smirk and decided I’d dodged a bullet at the height of the Mini Budget madness last October… 😉
Took out a 5 year fixed rate @ 7.5% 25 year mortgage end 1996, which protected me against the hike post Blair election, but costed me a bit more for the last 9 months and on expiry of the fixed rate term, when the Building society said I could reduce my payments by over 60%, I did not do so and continued paying at the same rate as before – as I earnt a bit more money I uprated by payments by £250/m – end result – mortgage paid off 5 1/2 years early ( thanks to the ridiculous low interest environment since 2008 )
Same amount of the mortgage as I am used to going out of my salary is now split 50-50 between additional payments into my pension and my ISA – the liberation I felt on paying off the mortgage the only debt I have ever had was truely amazing
I could see rates rising and was given the option to remortgage several months early. It was due June time and I put a note in my diary to do it in Feb.
When attempting in Feb I was told it was too early and to try Aug. This was after my 5 year fix start date but I was told it ran to the end of the year! I tried again but wasnt allowed to progress until September but by this time the rates had increased. Id hoped to lock in the same rate initially but each delay upped the rate. Only a bit to begin with then more until I was left with an almost doubling. The extended period of my 5 year fix did allow time for me to sort some things out. I would have prefered 4.5 + 5 on low rates then 5.5 low and another 5 at double.
I will have to comment on the invest v pay off mortgage thread now.