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How to be a 5:2 investor

Weighing in on simpler investing

The 5:2 fasting diet is all the rage. And as a fan of the occasional bout of nil by mouth, I’m not surprised.

Sensible fasting can throw the reset switch on conditions such as Hungry Hippo-itus, whereby a cheeky slice of cake in January has become a daily muffin ritual by May.

Fasting also delivers results quick, which is great provided you don’t let it become an eating disorder. If you want to stay slim and sexy on the cheap, you should try it.

What the 5:2 diet does is turn fasting into a routine for long-term weight loss.

According to the BBC documentary that popularized intermittent fasting, if you limit yourself to 500 to 600 calories for two days a week, you can eat whatever you like for the rest of the time and still lose weight.

Early scientific research suggests it might also be good for your immune system, your blood sugar levels – even your brain.

We’ll see about that, but books on the diet are already topping the bestseller lists, and more and more people at dinner parties are stuffing themselves with cake while telling me between mouthfuls that they only had a salad the night before.

I haven’t noticed many thinner people when squeezing onto London tubes, but I live in hope.

Lessons from the 5:2 diet

I think there are three main reasons why the 5:2 diet has struck a chord:

  • You don’t have to go without anything you like.
  • You don’t have to think about what you’re doing all the time.
  • It can quickly deliver results.

It’s a very pragmatic diet. In an ideal world, none of us would put on an extra kilo or eat cheesecake. In reality we do, and the 5:2 diet offers a way of dealing with it.

Are there any lessons for us as investors?

You and I both know the best approach to investing is careful budgeting and saving into passive index products for 30 to 40 years – all within tax shelters such as ISAs and pensions.

But we also know most people don’t save enough, that they buy active funds and trade stocks, and that CNBC exists and so do the temptations of Apple products and foreign holidays.

So within that mindset – that is, making an imperfect world a little better – here’s how the strengths of the 5:2 diet might be applied by investors – or would-be investors – who stray from the path.

You don’t have to go without anything you like

5:2 investing would acknowledge a few truths about human beings and money.

These include the big one that we like spending money now, rather doing without to spend it in the future – whether because of the time value of money, or because we struggle to envisage our future selves.

A quick and dirty 5:2 style response might be these two rules:

1) You must automatically transfer a fixed amount of your salary into your long-term savings each month.

2) You must never go into debt.

Why is this helpful? Because it automates your long-term saving, and enables you to spend what’s left over however you like.

Let’s say you’re 30-years old and you bring home £3,000 a month. If you set up a direct debit to transfer £500 a month from your account into an ISA or pension, you could do what you like with the remaining £2,500.

An iPad? A weekend break to Amsterdam? No guilt trips, just so long as you follow rule one AND you don’t break rule two, and never go into debt. Just let the after-savings money accumulate in your current account, and spend it as you see fit.

5:2 diet and active investing

Here’s another truth. Many people prefer to invest in managed funds or to buy their own stocks, rather than purely passive invest – even some who know better.

Personally, I’m a sucker for a portfolio of shares, and even I buy the odd investment trust on a discount.

So what might 5:2 investing have to say about this?

Well, perhaps you could divide your savings pot into sevenths. You could run 5/7ths of it passively, and maybe put 2/7ths in active funds (I wouldn’t!) or individual shares (I do).

Better yet, you could divide your monthly contributions into sevenths, and pipe the larger portion to your passive strategies, and the rest to your stock picking account. This way you won’t subsidize bad stock picks with your growing pot of passive money.

I believe most people will do better investing entirely in passive index funds, but equally I admit investing would never have captured my imagination – let alone got me blogging – if I only bought index funds.

If you’re like me, this might put a limit on your dark side.

You don’t have to think about what you’re doing all the time

While I am sufficiently obsessed with investing to devote as much as 50% of my net income to funding new investments – and half my free time to writing this blog, and you’re obsessed enough to read it – more people are in the opposite camp.

Most people come to investing as eagerly as Dracula goes to the dentist.

A constant fear of mine is that Monevator makes investing much more complicated than it needs to be for the average person to get far superior results.

The average person isn’t in slightly too-expensive index funds, or paying too much capital gains tax.

No, the average person is bewildered or ignorant, isn’t saving anything much at all, puts most of any money they do save into expensive managed funds, and never opens a stocks and share ISA.

For them, super simple is best.

I wrote some years ago that a new investor might simply split their savings between a UK tracker fund and a cash deposit account. A straight 50/50 division.

I don’t suggest they worry about bonds or other asset classes until they’ve done this for a few years and got used to the savings habit – and to the stock market wobbling.

It’s what I tell my friends to do when they ask for advice.1

Of course, I also point them to our posts on diversified ETF portfolios, but few read them. But if I can just get them automatically investing every month into a tracker fund, while buffering the volatility with cash, I know I’ve helped.

We can re-run that two-step automatic savings strategy here, too.

I’m naturally frugal, but I’ve never done a full-on budget in my life. Automatically saving every month means you don’t need to.

It can quickly deliver results

People applaud the 5:2 diet because they see the weight come off quickly.

When you go without food twice a week, you create a calorie deficit. You also temper down your appetite and shrink your stomach, so you don’t pig out as much as you might expect on the other five days.

This is in contrast to worthy plans where you eat only whole grains for 12 months, or ditch carbohydrates for only meat and vegetables, or ignore dieting altogether in favour of cycling naked sipping cold water at 6am in the morning.

All hard work, whereas the 5:2 diet is relatively easy and delivers results quick.

Sadly, there’s not many ways that this part of the 5:2 model can be safely moved to investing – at least not when it comes to returns.

Nearly anything you do to try to get results quickly from your investments is likely to cause more harm than good, whether it’s day trading, spreadbetting, or chasing hot funds.

I’d make one exception, though, and that’s if you have a company pension that offers matching employer contributions. Here you can get results overnight.

A matching contribution is like getting an instant 100% return on your money! You invest £500 and your employer matches it. You’ve doubled your money at a stroke. The only other place you can do that is Las Vegas.

Such pensions are a no-brainer, and if your company offers one, bite its arm off.

More 5:2 style approaches to wealth

Aside from good returns, there are two other crucial pieces to getting richer:

  • Make more money.
  • Spend less than you earn.

Boosting your income is an under-covered topic in personal finance circles, especially here in the UK. Perhaps it’s because we find talking about our salaries vulgar, or maybe investing for the long-term just attracts a more Spartan crowd.

I for one now believe I’ve made life harder for myself by not pursuing a higher income back in my 20s and early 30s.

I did okay income wise – I was hardly a beach bum – but given what I’ve achieved with my portfolio on what I did earn, I can’t help wondering where I’d be if I’d socked away another £10,000 to £20,000 a year for a decade or so.

Whether it’s by boosting your salary or creating a new side income, getting more money through the door can only help you reach financial freedom sooner – provided you save it of course.

And that brings us to spending less than you earn. (Here UK financial bloggers are definitely on message).

Unlike trying to make an extra 10% from your investments, cutting what you spend by 10% will quickly boost your bottom line in a safe way.

Better still, the first cuts are the hardest. Just as a 5:2 dieter doesn’t fear the fast days once they’ve become routine, you will find more ways to reduce your expenditure once you’ve got rid of the big items like excessive shoe buying or a new car habit.

If you’re in debt, then getting out of debt will deliver the biggest bang for your buck of all. Trying to get richer while paying someone else interest on your debt is like trying to lose weight by eating all the ice cream in the freezer first.

Take radical action – remember that all non-mortgage debt is an emergency!

Not an excuse to binge on bad investments

As I said at the start, I’m not suggesting running some of your money actively or using just a UK tracker fund instead of a global portfolio or keeping 50% of your savings in cash is the optimal route to wealth.

Far from it! But this isn’t an article about perfection.

In an ideal world, nobody would have a beer belly or flabby thighs. We would all eat well and exercise. The 5:2 diet exists because we don’t.

Similarly, these 5:2 investing ideas might help some people get on the right track. Blending your own smoothies or running a marathon can come later.

One caveat. There is some evidence that the 5:2 diet might actually be even better for us than normal eating, because the fast days may activate our bodies’ repair mechanisms. It could be we’re built to go without, and we literally have it too good.

The jury is still out on that. In contrast it’s pretty unequivocal about investing.

Yes, some active investors will beat the market. Yes, you’d have done better if you’d invested all your money with Antony Bolton or Warren Buffett.

But your chances of beating the market or finding the next Bolton or Buffett are very small – and anyway you don’t need to do so in order to achieve your financial aims.

There’s no suggestion here that anything but regular – dare I say boring – investing into tracker funds is the optimal way to go.

And so there’s no point being a 5:2 investor with flaws if you can be a perfectly passive one.

Rats, there goes the investing bestseller!

  1. (I have more recently tried sending some to Vanguard’s LifeStrategy funds, but it doesn’t work as well. We know it’s very simple, but they see it as complicated! []
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  • 1 PC May 9, 2013, 1:02 pm

    Nice analogy between dieting and investing – the promise of discovering a hidden secret is what sells books and animates conversations. What works in the long run is rather boring ..

  • 2 Greta Björn May 9, 2013, 1:48 pm

    Very elegantly summarised, Investor!

    I think I’ll start pointing any friends and family towards this article if/when they come to me for advise, as the principles you lay down here are very simple and exactly the approach for masses.

    (Also hello – I finally decided to de-lurk and actually kick my own blog online after much consideration…)

  • 3 Jon May 9, 2013, 3:42 pm

    Hi Investor,

    I’m building a HYP. Unless their are drastic dividends cuts, company takeovers, bankruptcies it will be a buy & hold forever investment with plan to live off dividends in 15 years + time.

    Would you define a buy & hold HYP a quasi-active or passive strategy ?
    Reg, Jon

  • 4 The Shoestring Investor May 9, 2013, 6:43 pm

    Excellent post, a way of thinking about regular passive investing that is quite original. I notice that you talk about a crucial piece of the puzzle being to increase income. My blog (www.theshoestringinvestor.com) tracks my progress as I turn £10 into a years salary without a job.

    This shows the possibilities of increasing income are out there to be had – and I plan on taking advantage of every single one I can!

  • 5 ermine May 9, 2013, 10:00 pm

    > I can’t help wondering where I’d be if I’d socked away another £10,000 to £20,000 a year for a decade or so.

    Burned out, perhaps. Remember you have only 24 hours a day and three-score years and ten. After a certain point the earn more stuff doesn’t work. If you’re running minimum wage, sure, go for it. Somehow I imagine you were doing a little better than that.

    A wise man knows what enough looks like. I missed that point, because I wasn’t paying attention. It hurts if you pass the signal at red, amd it all happens very quickly. So it came to pass that things that once mattered to me held no value for me, and other things fell apart.

    You did okay 😉 Don’t underestimate the sense of your younger self…

    Oh yeah, where do you go to buy ITs at a discount these days?

  • 6 Greg May 9, 2013, 10:46 pm

    There are still some decent ITs at a discount:
    BTEM, SMT, TEM, RCP & HANA.
    Each has underperformed recently (or only very recently in the case of BTEM and SMT) but I think they are all sound long-term plays.

    (Careful with RCP as the discount is fluctuating wildly at the moment!)

  • 7 SemiPassive May 10, 2013, 12:05 am

    I’m absolutely with you on the importance of automating pension, ISA, and even mortgage overpayments so they occur every month without any conscious decision required.
    Thats the fasting bit done, then you can spend whatever else is left, and be guilt free providing you stay out of debt. And even monthly credit card bill payments can be automated to be cleared in full.
    P.S. Must give this 5:2 diet a go.

  • 8 Geo May 10, 2013, 8:28 am

    This is one of my favourite posts of late, I think the analogy is nice but the lesson vital. Unfortunately it might pass a lot of people by. Active investing is like a fat slice of cake, exciting, tasty, looks lovely, but wont do you any good and might make you sick.

  • 9 The Investor May 10, 2013, 10:00 am

    Thanks for the comments all!

    At around 2,000 words this post could probably have done with going on a diet, so it’s nice to hear some liked it. 😉

    A couple of quick replies to questions:

    @Jon — The way we use the term “passive” on Monevator, I’d say not. Here we really mean passive to mean stock-agnostic index tracking. And as someone who invests some money in high yield shares, there’s definitely too much corporate action over the years to let anyone entirely go to sleep on them.

    But I know exactly where you’re coming from, and in a pub — or on the comment thread for my demo HYP update, due next week — I’d definitely agree it’s at least semi-passive, especially the way I think most people should run HYPs. (i.e. Buy well and sell only in extremis!)

    @ermine — You could be right. Certainly my 18 months of office life that ended a couple of years ago was an experiment that put years on me. 😉 I’m typing this from bed on a Friday morning, drinking a latte and considering a bit of running later, yet I’ll earn a higher-rate taxable income over the year. I can’t complain (and it’s not an accident, I’ve taken chances to get my professional life into this position) but it is something I wonder about.

    I do think I fell in love with compound interest slightly too passionately too soon and ignored the charms of having more to compound in the first place. Probably an unusual make-up! 😉

    On ITs, I’d second a couple of Greg’s list, especially HANA which I have a big holding in personally. Many of the globalist trusts haven’t done much, though they’ve recovered a fair bit — even CLDN is out of the doghouse. I think RIT Capital Partners was even on a rare 5-10% discount recently.

    I doubt these sorts of companies will be out of favour forever. 🙂

  • 10 Nathan May 10, 2013, 10:59 am

    The Investor – “A constant fear of mine is that Monevator makes investing much more complicated than it needs to be []”

    Ever sat on a train next to an old boy doing his form calculations in the margin of his Racing post ? It’s the same experience 🙂

    @ermine – “A wise man knows what enough looks like. I missed that point, because I wasn’t paying attention.”

    I think that would be a interesting blog post.

  • 11 bobthebuilder May 13, 2013, 7:36 pm

    love the idea of splitting 5:2.
    i’ve tried to do something not dissimilar for a while now.
    1/3 to the taxman, 1/3 to spend on life – including ipads & amsterdam and whatever i feel like, and 1/3 to savings. some years i don’t get there, some i do. but as long as its not a million miles away it will do. and yes no extra debt at all.

    the 1/3 i save. i try to split into roughly 3 pots, the dull certainties, a bit interesting and too exciting pots.
    so dull might be mortgage overpayments, and pensions. interesting might be high yields blue chips or bond funds. and exciting, thats small cap oil, a bit of property and other such gambles.
    oddly enough after 15 years of this all of them have a roughly similar return….

  • 12 Mike May 17, 2013, 5:31 pm

    Interesting post! I like the analogy and would extend it further to describe how investing is a long term function essentially of how much money you save versus what you spend: in other words, calories in versus calories out.
    There is however a choice of your investment vehicle into and this has a bearing on the growth of your savings. In a similar vein, choosing between different food groups (carbs, fat, protein) makes a difference in fitness and waistline.
    As someone who practices intermittent fasting (although 6:1 with a water fast) I might expand upon this in my own blog…

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