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Valuing the market by P/E ratio

You’re probably familiar with the price to earnings (P/E) ratio as applied to individual shares.

Well, the same sort of metric can be used – subject to the usual laundry list of caveats – to try to decide if an entire market is cheap.

A quick refresher. To calculate a company’s P/E ratio, you simply divide its share price by its earnings per share.

Monevator PLC has a share price of £10 and earnings per share of 50p.

The P/E ratio is £10/50p = 20

As a quick and dirty rule, a high P/E ratio indicates there’s a lot of future growth expectations baked into the share price, while a low P/E may indicate the market doesn’t expect so much growth from the company in the future.

Such expectations about earnings can involve all kinds of things, from a new product launch or a shift in the perception of margins, to some big crisis like the BP oil well disaster that takes a scythe to anticipated profits. They all work back into the P/E ratio.

It’s no exact science, but by comparing a company’s P/E ratio to that of its rivals and to its own historical range, you can try to get a feel for what other investors are expecting.

And the same sort of thing can be done for markets.

To calculate the P/E ratio for a stock market or index, you divide the total market value of all of the market’s constituents by their combined earnings.

Or, rather, you have someone else do it for you!

The Bloomberg terminals used by professional City folk deliver P/E ratios for different markets at a stroke.

Commoners must trawl around more or less accessible resources. The Financial Times data section enables you to download various index and country level P/Es, for instance.

You will also find journalists, analysts, and yours truly peppering articles with index or country P/E ratios.

Learning about earnings

It’s important to establish exactly what P/E ratio is being used.

The ‘P’ part of the equation for a simple P/E ratio is always the current price.

But with companies, different earnings (the ‘E’ figure) can be plugged in to give you an insight into slightly different views about the company.

  • Using historic earnings tells you how highly the company is rated on the basis of its last full financial year’s earnings. (Note: In the US where companies report quarterly, the trailing four quarters is most often used).
  • Forecast earnings plugged into a P/E ratio gives an indication of how cheaply – or expensively – the market is rating next year’s earnings.
  • A third variant gives you a mix of both, by adding the last reported half-year’s earnings with the earnings expected in the next two quarters .

And the same variations be used when calculating the P/E for the market.

Which P/E ratio is best? It doesn’t really work like that.

Comparing historic P/Es from different years can tell you how optimistic or pessimistic the market has been in the past – or how much it’s been surprised – but it doesn’t tell you much about the price you’re paying today.

Forecast earnings are the most important to the future value of your investment, whether you’re looking at a company or an index.

Unfortunately forecast earnings are also the most unreliable, because they haven’t happened yet! (Perfect your crystal ball and you’ll be rich in no time).

It’s therefore a good idea to look at all the different P/E ratios to get the most rounded picture you can.

If a company or market is rated at a P/E of 20 on a historical basis but only 5 on a forward basis, say, you need to understand what happened in the past or what’s expected in the future to make earnings swing about so wildly.

Uses and abuses of the P/E ratio

Let’s get back to valuing the market by P/E ratio.

By comparing its P/E with its historical range, with other markets, or with the P/E at other points in time – say in the depths of a previous recession – you can hazard an opinion as to whether it now seems to be pricing in too much optimism or pessimism, given your view of the economic situation.

Beware that such comparisons involve plenty of uncertainty and ambiguity – on top of the sheer unreliability of the macro-economic forecasting that will surely influence your view of a market’s future earnings.

Comparing the P/Es of two different markets can be misleading, for instance, because the P/E tells you nothing about the balance sheets of their respective companies.

One market’s firms may typically be more conservative and so use less debt, while another’s may be geared to the eyeballs. That’s likely to change the attractiveness of those future earnings to different investors. The cash-backed companies are on average probably safer, and so may deserve a premium rating. Or alternatively you may feel they’re too conservative, and so unlikely to grow.

Different markets are also biased towards different industries. An index dominated by resource companies will probably be more at the mercy of the economic cycle than a more diversified index, so I’d expect it to generally trade on a lower forward P/E multiple than a market stuffed with consumer staples.

There are even issues with comparing the same market across time.

You might compare an index’s P/E in what seems you like the trough of a bear market with an even lower one from a similar crash in the 1970s, only to decide it suggests that the current market has a lot further to fall.

But what those figures don’t reveal is that general interest rates were say 10% in the prior bear market whereas they might be (for example) only 2% when you make that comparison.

So you’re not really comparing similar investment environments.

Markets, moods, and P/E ratios are all cyclical

Because earnings fluctuate as economies expand and contract – and because investor enthusiasm is cyclical, too – investors may seek to smooth out a P/E ratio over a number of years.

I’ll look at this so-called cyclically adjusted P/E ratio (most commonly termed PE 10) in the next part of this series.

To conclude this post, valuing the market by its P/E ratio is a useful shortcut to getting a sense about how other investors see that market.

But it is definitely not a foolproof guide to future returns for all the reasons stated – and also because there’s “nowt so daft as folk”!

A market may seem cheap to you by its P/E ratio and yet get cheaper for years or vice-versa, purely because your fellow investors become more fearful or greedy.

Such sentiment will resolve itself eventually in all but the most apocalyptic scenarios. There’s a common sense limit to just how low a P/E multiple can get for an entire market, in most circumstances.

As always with equities though, you’d better be ready to strap in for the long-term.

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Valuing the market: Are shares cheap?

Hearing that I’m one of those oddballs who is still investing in the stock market, people ask me things like “Are shares cheap?” or “Is it a good time to put money into an ISA?”1

Invariably I waffle in reply that regularly saving into a cheap diversified portfolio over the long-term is a good practice that sidesteps such concerns.

But if the questioner is more sophisticated – or more persistent – I may venture a view that a particular market looks cheap or expensive, in my opinion.

‘Sophisticated’ here means experienced enough to have heard such views hundreds of times before – and so hopefully formed the opinion that they’re not worth very much, especially in the short-term!

(The most sophisticated investors are arguably those who ignore all this kerfuffle due to the evidence that it probably won’t give them any edge, and so invest purely passively instead).

However one fellow – a Monevator reader, to boot – surprised me the other day when he asked me what we actually mean when we say ‘shares look cheap’?

A very good question.

Over this series of posts, I’ll outline some of the ways you might hear people arguing that the stock market is at bargain levels, grossly expensive, or something in between.

I’m not going to consider the present state of the market. I want this series to be more of a reference guide than a one-off market call. You can then use the methods described in whatever market conditions you face in the future.

You can guess evaluate along with the rest of us!

Price is not the answer

Firstly, let’s look at what doesn’t work, at least for private investors like us. And that’s technical measures based on prices.

To my knowledge nobody can consistently predict and profit from short-term stock market moves. If you hear some pundit saying for example that the market has advanced “too fast” and so we “are due for a pullback next week” ignore them. They don’t know anything you don’t know. (On this evidence they may know a lot less).

I don’t personally believe that stock markets are totally efficient. There’s evidence that momentum exists in prices, for example.

But that doesn’t mean I think it’s easy to profit from short-term gyrations in the overall market. Quite the opposite!

Investing in shares is not unique in this respect.

Imagine you’re an expert in antique furniture. If I put a tatty old chest of drawers up for sale in the newspaper small ads for £20 and you realise from my description that it’s a Georgian antique, you’re well placed to make a profit.

If I auction it, however, the chances are others will spot its value, and bid against you. This activity itself can draw more expert traders to the fray. I may be ignorant about antiques, but this process means my lot should still sell for around the going rate in a public market.

Ah, but what is that going rate?

As an expert in classic furniture, you will have a view. You might exit the auction early because “prices look toppy”. Alternatively, you might laugh maniacally as you strap the drawers onto your roof racks, muttering to anyone in earshot that: “the market is temporarily depressed, but one day true value will reassert itself”.

You sound very knowing. But a year or two later, you may be saying the same thing as my drawers gather dust in the corner of your shop.

Fashions come and go. Your expertise in old furniture was enough to tell you that my chest of drawers was Georgian and you knew such items had traded at a high price in the past. But it didn’t give you any omnipotent clairvoyance about whether and when other buyers would pay what you consider a fair price for Georgian drawers in the future.

The odds may be on your side. Your knowledge of both antiques and fashion trends – and even the mood of your fellow dealers – all help.

But there’s no certainty.

Prices are adrift without an anchor

This is all very familiar to investors in shares.

In the years immediately after the dotcom bubble burst, you’d often hear pundits urge others into the market on the grounds that the FTSE 100 was 10% or 20% or 30% down from its high.

But this simple 10%-off type answer to the question “are shares cheap?” proved a poor guide to the future level of the index. Twelve years on and the FTSE 100 remains below its high of late 1999.

Some markets might never return to what you once considered a reasonable price (as I have found to my cost with London house prices). Many people are late to buy into recovering stock markets because they become anchored to a low price point, and forgo gains while waiting for a retrenchment that never comes.

They get scared because the market has risen 20%, but who is to say it was fairly priced then? Perhaps it was excessively cheap?

Going on pure prices/levels isn’t much use, then, whether you’re buying a new Art Deco sideboard or wondering whether now’s the time to put your inheritance into a UK tracker. If the FTSE 100 was once 6,500 and it’s now 5,500, it’s not at all evident from these numbers whether the old level was too high or the new level too low, let alone where prices will be in the next year.

Head too far down this road and before you know it you’re a chartist looking for triple candlesticks up your golden Uranus as you try to simplify an inconceivably complicated summation of opinions about every company in the index.

Price versus value

Don’t get me wrong – every investor looks at stock market graphs, even if they don’t admit to it. Even passive investors take solace from graphs showing the UK stock market climbing remorselessly over a hundred years or more.

I am not immune to price anchoring and other behavioural quirks, either. But personally I try to fight the daily impulse to consider shares cheap or expensive based on the absolute level of the index.

Instead, if you want to reach an opinion about whether the market looks cheap or expensive (and remember, that’s very much optional to a good investing plan) I believe you need to try to value it against something more fundamental.

And here’s a big difference between investing in antiques and buying into the stock market – one that’s often missed by newcomers to shares.

If I buy a FTSE 100 tracker, then I am buying a slice of all the future earnings of the FTSE 100, which I hope to be paid through a regular dividend and/or a rising price due to companies reinvesting their profits. Both earnings and dividends tend to rise over the long-term, not least due to inflation, so if I can wait long enough I’ll likely be rewarded.

In contrast, my Georgian chest of drawers either goes up in price, or it goes down.

Okay, technically speaking, my drawers provide a functional utility that has a value that ownership confers. You can store underpants in them, for example. More subtly, you can also show off your wealth by putting them in your living room (my drawers, not my underpants, though I can see the confusion).

If you didn’t buy my antique drawers, you might have to go to IKEA to get storage for your pants, and frame and display a bank statement to show off your wealth.

However I think it’s fair to say most of the premium in an antique over a sturdy knock-off is in the expectation of the value to be realised through a future bid2.

Such an expectation isn’t groundless – real assets tend to appreciate ahead of inflation over time, which is why investing in quality furniture, houses, stamps and even art can help preserve your wealth. But the utility value you’re gaining from it is a lot more vague than the dividend yield you get on a basket of shares.

And however long you wait, I don’t think you’ll ever get what you paid for your 1970s avocado bathroom suite.

Ways to value the market

In short, we need to relate the level of the market to some other value – such as those company earnings or the dividend yield – in order to see if it’s reasonably priced or not.

I’m not the first to reach this conclusion, unsurprisingly. Over the years, many different rules-of-thumb have been devised to try to decide whether shares are cheap or expensive.

The rest of this series will highlight some of the more popular ways you may hear being used to value the market according to these so-called fundamentals.

None of these methods gives you a silver bullet solution to timing a market.

Far from it!

Hedge funds crunch tens of thousands of variables and still they run off a cliff in a year like 2008. To expect a simple ratio to give you a solution to the age-old quest for the holy grail of market timing is bonkers.

That said, I don’t think it’s folly for someone to decide to take an overall view on whether shares look good value, and to tweak (not wantonly trade) their allocations accordingly.

The academic evidence is that most investors would historically have done better to stick to fixed asset allocations and rebalancing as opposed to attempting market timing. But for those of us who do dabble with the dark side, these valuation methods may collectively cast a little light and help us to do better.

At the very least, after reading this series you’ll be able to decode even more City-speak when you hear it!

  1. Yes, you and I know an ISA is just a wrapper, and so it can contain cash or bonds as well as shares. The general public is not so well informed! []
  2. Something antiques have in common with gold, incidentally. []
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Weekend reading

Some good reads from around the Web.

Faithful Monevator readers (hello mum!) might have noticed we’ve been a little slow on articles over the past couple of weeks.

Like an evil genius whose wayward robot has lain waste to Manhattan, I can only point to ‘technical difficulties’.

The site gummed up last week, to the extent that it actually fell over on Monday. I’ve therefore spent a couple of days fiddling behind the scenes to fix your favourite blog about money and investing (or at least the only one to draw parallels between Star Wars and saving).

Having bored myself to tears with this technical faff, I won’t do the same to you by explaining how you’ll now benefit from a faster, more reliable Monevator.

I would ask you though to please point out any bugs you see, as doubtless I’ve forgotten some legacy issues. (On that note, I know a test post was emailed out yesterday. Apologies!)

My read of the week

You might fill the void we left in your recent reading schedule by ploughing through the latest letter from my favourite down-to-earth hedge fund manager, Jeremy Grantham (it’s a PDF).

His latest quarterly update to shareholders is sometimes a heavy-going read, but it’s worth persevering with for insights into stock market volatility and the money management business.

Grantham writes:

The central truth of the investment business is that investment behavior is driven by career risk

In the professional investment business we are all agents, managing other peoples’ money.

The prime directive, as Keynes knew so well, is first and last to keep your job. To do this, he explained that you must never, ever be wrong on your own. To prevent this calamity, professional investors pay ruthless attention to what other investors in general are doing.

The great majority “go with the flow,” either completely or partially. This creates herding, or momentum, which drives prices far above or far below fair price. There are many other inefficiencies in market pricing, but this is by far the largest.

It explains the discrepancy between a remarkably volatile stock market and a remarkably stable GDP growth, together with an equally stable growth in “fair value” for the stock market.

This difference is massive – two-thirds of the time annual GDP growth and annual change in the fair value of the market is within plus or minus a tiny 1% of its long-term trend.

While I’ve long admired Grantham’s writing, I don’t have any particular view on his funds. Passive investing in simple index-tracking portfolios will do the job for most of us.

Unlike certain Monevator readers, however, I am not so scathing about the insights offered by the better active fund managers – especially if, like me, you do a bit of stock picking yourself.

Many of these people are extremely smart. However they find it hard to get an edge on their equally smart competitors, and so after fees they fail to beat index trackers.

As Grantham explains, if fund management is your job then it’s better not to even try to be best, if it’s at the risk of being worse than average.

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Spring cleaning our passive investing HQ

Our passive investing HQ has had a mini makeover.

Over the weekend we updated our passive investing nerve centre with some fresh links and a new introduction, which is reproduced below. We hope you like what we’ve done with the place!

Are you after an investment strategy that’s simple to understand, easy to implement, and gives you a good crack at beating the average fund manager over the long term?

Then passive investing could well be for you.

Welcome to our passive investing guide for UK investors. Our mission: to explain what you need to know about passive investing and how to do it.

Why passively invest?

With passive investing, you don’t worry about what the price of gold is doing this week. Nor do you spend days buried in company reports trying to evaluate stocks.

There’s no need to time the market, pick winning companies, or convince yourself that you have the special powers required to beat other investors – especially since the vast army of superbly equipped professionals you’re up against can’t reliably outperform, either.

As a passive investor, you refuse to play The City’s game.

Instead you use low-cost funds called index trackers to reap the market’s return and get rich slowly.

We’re fans of passive investing because:

  • There’s a mountain of evidence showing passive investing is a superior strategy compared to believing the latest hot fund manager or investment scheme will smash the market.
  • It can save you from costly mistakes in the pursuit of fatter returns.
  • It’s as simple as investing gets. You need no more than half a dozen funds in a portfolio to spread your money across the key asset classes. You can even get by with just two funds.

Does this all sound too good to be true? Rest assured this isn’t some bizarre offshore saving scheme or whatnot.

Passive investing is increasingly the first choice of savvy investors, with net sales of tracker funds in the UK reaching a record £1.9 billion in 2011 according to figures recently cited by Which.

That brings the total held in tracker funds by UK investors to £39 billion!

The passive investing mindset

But passive investing isn’t just about the types of funds you buy. We think it’s also about how you approach the whole business of achieving your long-term financial goals.

By accepting that successful investing is a long-term pursuit, you mentally equip yourself to cope with the horrendous market crashes that will occur from time to time.

You also come to realise that a diversified portfolio is your best chance of reaching your goals.

Passive investing offers all this and it’s a strategy you can easily manage yourself for only a small investment in time. It enables you to sidestep the ruinous conflicts of interest that riddle the financial services industry, then leaves you to get on with the rest of your life.

Sure, passive investing requires some upfront research to understand. And that’s what the passive investing section of Monevator is dedicated to helping you with.

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