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FIRE-side chat: Scot-free

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While most readers enjoy pulling up a stool and listening to these FIRE-side chats, we do sometimes hear that a particular story is a bit unusual compared to the usual work-to-retirement path. So this time I’m pleased to talk to ‘WeeScot’, who is on a conventional route towards a comfortable early retirement – very much still an achievement, and something we might all aspire to!

A place by the FIRE

Morning! How do you feel about taking stock of your financial life today?

I’m feeling reflective, which is why I offered to do a FIRE-side Chat. I’ve been a regular Monevator reader for many years. However I rarely comment on posts.

Over the years I have learned a lot from the site and wanted to share some of my experiences with other readers in the hope that it would be helpful. 

How old are you and your partner?

I’m 54 and my wife is 57. We have been happily married for 30 years. 

Do you have any dependents?

We have one daughter who is 28. She is an NHS doctor – the first doctor in our family – working in the highlands of Scotland. She is doing very well and we are both immensely proud of her. 

Whereabouts do you live and what’s it like there?

We live in Glasgow. It’s a beautiful city with friendly people. The only downside is the weather – Deacon Blue’s Raintown is very apt if you’re old enough to remember the iconic album cover. 

Do you consider you’ve achieved Financial Independence and why?

I wouldn’t say I’m financially independent just yet. I’m getting closer, but not quite there.

My goal is to retire before 60, not to hit a specific number. For me, it’s more about having time to spend with friends and family, which feels far more valuable than chasing a bigger bank balance. At this stage in life, I’m choosing to prioritise time over money.

So you’re obviously not yet Retired Early…

No, I’m still working and I enjoy my current job in financial services.

My wife retired at 55 due to ill health and is no longer able to work. This has significantly influenced my approach to retirement. Rather than working longer to provide more financial security, it’s inspired me to retire before 60 so that we can spend more time together whilst we’re both fit and able to enjoy life together.

For me, time spent with your partner isn’t the shared hours. It’s the ordinary moments that become your favorite memories. 

When do you think you’ll call it FIRE?

I’m hoping to retire in the next five years or so. 

Assets: pensioned-up and mortgage-free

What’s your current net worth?

Our combined net worth is around £1.7m.

What makes up your net worth? Are there mortgages or other debts, too?

Our main assets are: 

  • £500,000 family home in Glasgow
  • £300,000 flat in Edinburgh 
  • £100,000 in a stocks and shares ISA
  • £800,000 in pensions from various employers
  • We don’t have any mortgages or debts. 

The Edinburgh flat was originally bought as both an investment and a lifestyle choice. It made sense at the time, as I was working in the city and wanted to avoid a long commute

Ironically, I changed jobs about a year later and wasn’t based there anymore –such is life!

Fortunately, the timing worked out well though, as our daughter ended up studying at Edinburgh University and used the flat during her degree. That saved on accommodation costs. After my daughter graduated we rented it out to a couple who are friends of hers, though they’re due to move out soon.

The Edinburgh property market has performed well over the past five to ten years. But I’d admit any increase in value has been more down to good luck than careful planning!

What’s your main residence like?

We live in a three-bedroom detached house in the leafy suburbs of Glasgow. After making overpayments for many years we now own it outright and have been mortgage free for ten years.

Glasgow on FIRE: a characterful city to work and retire in.

What was your thinking with the early repayments?

My initial strategy was to overpay by £50 per month. Over time increased this to circa £500 per month as my salary grew.

This approach wasn’t driven by a particular date but instead by a desire to reduce the overall term of the mortgage and associated interest payments as quickly as possible.

Over the years I believe that this approach has saved us thousands in interest payments. More importantly it did not materially impact our day-to-day quality of life, which is equally as important. 

It might not have been the best financial decision, as the money could have been invested elsewhere. However it does let me sleep well at night. I think that is also an important factor. 

Do you consider your home an asset, an investment, or something else?

My wife and I consider this a home not an asset or investment.

We chose it initially because of good schooling for our daughter, not to make money. Enjoying where you live for us is more important than making money.   

Earning: it helps to enjoy work

What’s your job?

I work in a change and transformation role for a financial services company, leading large-scale business and tech projects to improve how we serve customers and advisers.

After more than 25 years in this industry, I’ve gained deep experience with Life and Pension products and regulatory changes, which I believe ties in closely with the FIRE journey.

It’s not often we get someone from the industry on Monevator

While financial services often get a bad rap – especially when things go wrong – there are many moments that show the human side, too.

For instance I remember a time when we paid out a life insurance policy early so a critically-ill woman could marry her partner at short notice. Technically outside the rules – but absolutely the right thing to do.

Is navigating all the complexities easier for you from the inside?

As a DIY investor and employee, I still find the financial world full of jargon and complexity – even from the inside.

Also, digitisation has made services more accessible, but it also tempts people to tinker too much. As Steven Bartlett joked in a recent podcast, forgetting your investment account password might be the best thing you can do!

When it comes to FIRE, I’ve found that a slow and steady approach – regular investments in passive funds – offers the best chance of reaching your goals with confidence and less stress.

It might not be exciting, but it works.

What’s your annual income?

My annual income is around £100,000.

How did your career and salary progress over the years – and was pursuing financial independence part of your career plans?

When I graduated from University I started out in a software development role with a starting salary of £12,000. It felt like riches to a wide-eyed 21-year-old.

My career progressed quickly as I gained more experience in different technologies and software languages. However I soon learned that I was better at managing projects and people than programming. Since then I have been predominately in change and transformation, working for different financial services companies over the last 25 years, which I’ve enjoyed. 

Did you have any advice about building a career and growing income? Perhaps something that you wished you’d known earlier?

My advice is ‘be comfortable in the uncomfortable’.

Moving jobs and roles either within a company or changing employer is the best way to learn new skills and experience. If your current role feels too comfy this can often be a sign that you are not developing or stretching yourself enough. 

Secondly don’t chase money – chase opportunity.

If you’re excited about the opportunity you are more likely to do a great job. Your company will recognise this and the money will hopefully follow. 

Do you have any sources of income besides your main job?

No. I work full-time, which is my only income.

My wife took early retirement due to ill-health and has a small pension. 

Did pursuing FIRE get in the way of your career?

No – and I have enjoyed my career in financial services.

I only started regularly hearing the term FIRE in the UK around ten years ago and I don’t believe I’ve been actively pursuing FIRE. However regularly reading Monevator and other sites like Quietly Saving, I may have been doing it subconsciously without realising!

Saving and spending: Scottish virtues

What’s your annual spending? How has this changed over time?

My annual spending is probably around the £30,000 to £40,000 mark.

This is typically on basics like food, transport, utilities – plus one or two nice holidays a year.  

Do you stick to a budget or otherwise structure your spending?

I don’t budget monthly, but my spending habits are pretty steady and I’m not one to splurge.

Growing up in a traditional Scottish family, I was taught not to buy what I couldn’t afford – and that mindset has stuck with me. I only make big purchases when I have the cash to pay in full.

I have a credit card that I rarely use, and I always clear the balance each month to avoid any fees.

How would you describe that traditional Scottish family mindset?

Both my parents retired in their 60s and live comfortably thanks to their hard work. They were great role models who passed on a strong work ethic.

That has served me well – and I’m proud to see the same values showing in my daughter, too.

I’ve always believed that money you earn yourself is far more meaningful than money that’s simply given.

What percentage of your gross income did you save over the years?

In my 20s, saving was tough. My wife and I bought our first flat at 25. A few years later we had our daughter, so family came first.

I did contribute to a pension, but only at the basic 3–5% level. Thankfully, working in financial services meant I benefited from generous employer contributions of around 10–13%.

In my 30s and 40s, I gradually increased my pension contributions to about 10%, but hitting 50 was a wake-up call.

I’d read that your total pension contributions (yours and your employer’s) should be around half your age. Digesting this rule-of-thumb pushed me into action.

Nowadays I contribute 27%, with my employer adding 13% for a total of 40%. It’s made a big impact on my pension growth.

The lifestyle adjustments have been minor – cutting back on extras like holidays and car upgrades – but worth it to stay on-track for retirement before 60.

In hindsight, starting earlier would have helped, but I’m glad to be making up ground now. A few sacrifices feel like a small price to avoid working extra years. It’s a trade-off I’m happy with.

What’s the secret to saving more money?

Saving is a habit. I put money away into a different account as soon as I get paid. I don’t touch this for day-to-day expenses. This allows me to enjoy the rest guilt-free.   

Do you have any hints about spending less?

Don’t buy what you don’t need and be careful with day-to-day spending habits.

That daily coffee from Costa may be nice every morning. However it could be costing you £600-£700 per year, which could be used for something more productive – or indeed fun!

Do you have any passions or hobbies that eat up your income?

My wife and I love live music and regularly attend concerts in Scotland and travel across the UK – or even abroad – to see our favorite bands.

One highlight was Adele in Munich last year. That was truly an amazing experience both musically and visually with a 220-meter screen.

We are also football season ticket holders and have been for many years. This has been a rollercoaster – thanks to events both on and off the pitch – but we still love going to home games on a Saturday.

Investing: towards simplicity

What kind of investor are you?

Well, a former boss once told me, “I want my money to work as hard for me as I did to earn it,” and that mindset really stuck.

So I’ve always managed my own investments and never used a financial adviser.

Over time, my approach has shifted. I’ve gone from trying to beat the market with active investing to preferring a more passive strategy, which suits me better.

I’m fully invested in equities, and now have less than 10% in active funds.

Do you use any of your fellow professionals?

Recently I had a call with a financial adviser through a free service from my employer to see if I’m on track to retire in the next five years.

The adviser was great, and after doing some personalised retirement modelling, it was reassuring to learn I’m on the right path. It was validating – and honestly a relief – to hear that many of my investment choices aligned with his own. Particularly after being a DIY investor for 25-odd years. 

To be honest this experience has also changed my perception on paying for financial advice. I’d now consider looking for a financial adviser to help me set-up a retirement plan once I get closer to FIRE. 

What was your best investment?

Property has been our best investment. My wife and I bought our first Glasgow flat in our mid-20s and moved a few times as our family grew. Each move brought a good increase in property value, which helped us move up the ladder – though we’d say it was more luck than strategy.

We’ve never focused on renovating to sell, but instead chose homes based on location over style. Fortunately, the areas we picked became more desirable over time. That boosted their value.

We know we’ve been lucky – especially with how much harder it is now for younger people to get on the property ladder. Many of our friends’ adult children are still living at home. They have little chance of buying unless they get extra help.

Did you make any big mistakes on your investing journey?

Definitely! Managing your own investments means you make mistakes and when it’s your own money you learn fast.

A few hard-won lessons come to mind:

Chasing winners – I used to jump on whatever active fund was flying high that month — only to watch it crash the next. I’ve since learned slow and steady wins the race. (No pun intended on your namesake portfolio!)

Panic selling and meddling – I’ve trained myself to ignore big market swings (like the Q1 drop this year) and stick to the plan. Too many people I know panic and sell the moment their fund dips 10%. I’ve also stopped constantly switching funds. It only adds stress and fees.

Avoid what you don’t understand – I tried crypto a few times and realised it felt more like gambling. Seems to me the only consistent winners are the platforms, who earn fees regardless of whether you gain or lose.

Emotional investing – I’ve held onto losing funds hoping they’d bounce back, only to regret it. Sometimes you’ve just got to cut your losses and treat it as tuition fees for learning the ropes.

What’s been your overall return, as best you can tell?

On average, my pensions and stocks and shares ISAs see around 9% annual growth, depending on market conditions. My best investment so far has been the Legal & General Global Technology Index Trust, which has grown by over 50% – a great return over the years.

I’m mostly invested in US funds, which have done well over the past decade, but I also make sure to include other regions to stay diversified.

It might not be the perfect allocation, but it suits me and I’m happy with the results.

When I reach FIRE, my plan is to use income drawdown from my pensions rather than buy an annuity, as it offers more flexibility. I’ll keep my ISAs as a backup or for topping up income if needed.

How much have you been able to use your ISA and pension allowances?

At present, I’m putting around £40,000 to £50,000 (combined employee and employer contributions) annually in my pension. This consumes about 27% of my salary.

I typically also save £1,000 per month into my ISA as a regular habit and try to fill up to £20,000 each tax year, if I have money available. However this isn’t always possible. 

To what extent did tax incentives and shelters influence you?

As a higher-rate tax payer in Scotland I’m keen to ensure that my investments are as tax-efficient as possible. So I save heavily in pensions to reduce tax.

But I also save into the ISAs to provide some financial flexibility and protect me in case the government decides to change pension or ISA rules in future. 

How often do you check or tweak your portfolio?

I check my portfolio weekly and track performance in a big Excel spreadsheet I’ve built over the years.

It’s something I genuinely enjoy. It keeps me motivated and helps me maintain a growth mindset, whether I’m seeing gains or spotting opportunities during a dip.

That said, I don’t have a specific investment target. It’s more about using the data as feedback and staying engaged.

I know weekly tracking might be too frequent for some, but for me, it’s a positive habit that keeps me focused and doesn’t do any harm.

Over the years I have developed good self-discipline and I avoid tweaking my portfolio too frequently. I occasionally make changes – once or twice a year – to rebalance. However I’ve sometimes gone a year or two without making any changes at all.

Moving the majority of my portfolio into passive funds has also helped me avoid making too many tweaks or changes.  

Wealth: enjoying working towards a rich life

We know how you made your money, but how did you keep it?

Big trees grow from little acorns and even now I still regularly save and invest regularly as a habit. One challenge I recognise though is should you change this habit when you move into de-accumulation?

It would be great to hear views and experiences from other Monevator readers on this topic. I expect this to be an issue for me, having been in the saving and investing mode for many years.  

Which is more important, saving or investing, and why?

Both is the pragmatic answer. But if you pushed me to choose one I would say investing is more important. Where you put your money can make a huge difference in the financial returns, particularly over the longer term. At my stage in life I’m laser-focused on where I’m invested and the performance of my assets.

I appreciate that this is not the norm. When I speak with friends and family about pensions and what funds they are invested in, they typically look at me like I’m speaking a different language. So I recognise that I am an outlier. 

Do your goals have a timeline?

My goal is to retire in five years’ time. 

Has anything unexpected got in your way on the path to financial independence?

Over the years I’ve experienced many twists and turns, both in terms of unplanned career changes due to market forces and investment mistakes. But I’m pleased with how things have panned out to date.

The journey is as important as the destination. I’ve learned to enjoy the ride so I feel contented. 

Do you have any other financial goals?

My key financial goal is to be able to do what I want when I retire and not be restricted – within reason – by money. Having the freedom to be able to go out for a good meal with friends or attend the theatre without having to check my bank balance first is important and a nice feeling.

For me financial goals are about having the freedom to do what you want when you want. We can always have more money but never buy back time. 

What would you say to Monevator readers pursuing financial freedom?

A few friends and colleagues have already retired, and through our chats, one message keeps coming up: having a clear purpose in retirement really matters.

It needs to be more than just holidays or hobbies. It’s about finding something meaningful that keeps you motivated once the daily work routine stops.

One of my close friends has embraced this brilliantly, spending his time writing children’s books in winter and creating an award-worthy garden in summer – all purely for the joy of it.

After working most of my adult life, I’m really looking forward to the freedom retirement brings. I haven’t fully figured out my own purpose yet. But I’m excited to explore that as my FIRE date gets closer.

Tidying up

When did you first start thinking seriously about money and investing?

I started reasonably early. I even took out a personal pension in the early 1990s before the introduction of auto-enrolment.

Since then I have always been interested in money and investing, which I think is a good Scottish trait!

Did any particular individuals inspire you to become financially free?

The contributors to Monevator and the community that engages in the comments are my inspiration, particularly as Monevator is focused on a UK audience.

It’s a reminder that you’re not alone. Many of us are thinking and feeling the same things. 

Can you recommend any other favourite resources for anyone pursuing the FIRE dream?

I’m a big follower of Steven Bartlett. I regularly listen to his Diary of the CEO podcast when travelling to and from work. Many of the guest speakers on investing and more recently Artificial Intelligence have been fantastic. 

What is your attitude towards inheritance?

I will start to consider inheritance tax more closely once I FIRE – I want to ensure that my wife and daughter are looked after.

The recent inheritance tax changes are frustrating and feel counterproductive for someone who has worked their whole adult life. However let’s not get into politics…

What will your finances ideally look like towards the end of your life?

My view is simple. Enjoy your money while you can! Life’s short, so make the most of it with friends and family doing what makes you happy.

And on that note… I think it’s your round, The Investor!

Indeed – my thanks to WeeScot for taking the time to share his story with us. It’s a good reminder that you don’t need to start a side hustle or run a business or move to the mountains to achieve your goals (not that there’s anything wrong with those either…) and that conventional wisdom is wise for a reason. Questions and constructive feedback are both welcome, but anything bad-tempered or nasty will be deleted. WeeScot is a long-time Monevator reader, but he’s not a regular commenter – let alone a battle-scarred blogger like me. Be sure to read our other FIRE-side chats.

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Is now a good time to invest?

A venn diagram that tells you your instincts don’t help you answer the question: is now a good time to invest?

With Trump tariffs feeding fears of a US economic slowdown and concerns rising about an AI-fuelled stock market bubble, now may not seem like a good time to invest.

Perhaps it’d be best to keep your financial powder dry? To wait until things calm down and the world feels a little more stable?

That makes perfect, intuitive sense – until you step back and look at the bigger picture.  

In the long run, equities go up

The bigger picture looks something like this: the most reassuring chart in investing…

Data from JST Macrohistory1, The Big Bang2, and MSCI. August 2025. Real total returns in GBP.

The chart shows inflation-adjusted, World stock market returns surging through 125 years of upheaval, transformation, and occasional catastrophe. 

Anyone who remained invested throughout that period would have earned 6% per year on average (over and above inflation).

That’s despite suffering the massive financial shocks that periodically interrupt the rise of equities.

The World’s worst stock market crash was the 52% real terms decline that unfolded during the 1973-74 Oil Crisis.

World War One and the Dotcom Bust inflicted similarly large losses.

But each setback was temporary. Progress resumed, just as it did after the Global Financial Crisis and Covid.

Investing is one damn thing after another

But what about now? Doesn’t the incessant drumbeat of uncertainty and looming peril suggest it would be better to stay on the sidelines for a while?

Time will tell. But the world is always troubled. 

Here’s a catalogue of threats that menaced investors in the years that followed the Global Financial Crisis: 

  • 2010 – Greek bailout, The Flash Crash
  • 2011 – EU debt crisis, double dip recession, US debt downgrade
  • 2013 – The Taper Tantrum, US government shutdown
  • 2015 – Chinese stock market crash
  • 2016 – Brexit referendum, Trump election, Fed rate hike jitters
  • 2018 – US-China trade war, quantitative tightening 
  • 2019 – Inverted US yield curve, Great Stagnation alarm
  • 2020 – Covid, running out of Netflix shows in lockdown
  • 2021 – Covid, Evergrande liquidity crisis, global energy crisis
  • 2022 – Inflation surges, Russia invades Ukraine, the energy crisis deepens, rising interest rates prompt recession worry
  • 2023 – Financial contagion fears triggered by Silicon Valley Bank collapse, stagflation warnings
  • 2024 – US-China tensions, S&P 500 overvaluation disquiet, US election uncertainty
  • 2025 – Trump tariffs, AI bubble anxiety, government debt concerns, currency debasement fears

Despite all that, World equities grew 251% in real terms from 2010 to 2024, and the market reached new highs in 2025.

Here’s how that looks if you bought and held a World equities ETF from 2010 until the time of writing:

Data from JustETF. August 2025. Nominal total returns in GBP.

(Note: the ETF chart shows nominal returns. The real return measures how much your wealth has grown after stripping out the impact of inflation.)

The World equities real return averaged almost 9% a year over this period. In other words, the past 15 years has been an incredible time to invest – even though you had to endure constant worries and some painful downturns to profit.

Stock market returns are often earned the hard way.

Pain is why you are paid

It’s because equities have proven resilient over time that long-term investors stay in the market, regardless of short-term wobbles.

Trying to predict the perfect entry point often means missing out on growth because there is never a ‘safe’ time to invest.

Indeed, many of the market’s biggest opportunities have followed its most dramatic falls. 

Prices rocket when investors eventually realise they overreacted to the last shock. 

But human psychology guarantees you’ll fail to grasp those moments if you don’t upgrade your mental firmware from the basic Fear & Greed 1.0 package. 

Greed sucks us into rising markets. Think 19th Century Gold Rush or 21st Century Crypto Bubble. We’re like moths to the money flame. 

Then we get burned. Fear takes over and instructs us to: “Freeze! Just chill for a while. Let’s wait and see what happens.” 

And then all of a sudden the market marches on without us. We miss most of the rally…

…until eventually greed overwhelms our fear again. Dragging us back into the action, because nobody wants to miss the last train to Fat Stacks City. 

This is the chimp version of scissors, paper, stone. Greed beats fear. Fear beats greed. We flip-flop in time to the market’s beat, but out of tune with the opportunity.

Playing the market this way only increases the risk of buying high and selling low. 

But wading in when your instincts scream “Danger! Danger!” will increase your odds of buying low and selling high. 

As Warren Buffett puts it: “be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.”

Is now a good time to invest?

Now is as good a time as any to invest because for the vast majority of people it’s time in the market that counts, not timing the market

In retrospect, the historic traumas charted above proved brief downward squiggles on the great graph of historical returns.  

Progress is not inevitable, of course. But we shouldn’t lament the lack of guarantees either.

Uncertainty is the gunpowder that propels our future returns. It’s exactly because of the risk of loss that investors demand the prospect of higher returns from equities. 

No-one gets paid for betting on a sure thing. But buying a stake in the continued progress of humanity – and its main engines of productivity – has paid off for the past 300 years.

If you believe we’re not done for yet then owning a diversified portfolio of equities is a wise investment, alongside other useful asset classes.

Use techniques like pound cost averaging to work your way into the market gradually and to benefit from the dips.

Check out our guide on passive investing to develop a strategy that works for you.

Take it steady,

The Accumulator

p.s. This article updates an older version from a few years back. We’ve left the existing comments below, as they provide interesting perspective and context as time goes by. But please do check the dates before replying.

  1. Òscar Jordà, Katharina Knoll, Dmitry Kuvshinov, Moritz Schularick, and Alan M. Taylor. 2019. “The Rate of Return on Everything, 1870–2015.” Quarterly Journal of Economics, 134(3), 1225-1298. []
  2. Dmitry Kuvshinov and Kaspar Zimmermann. 2021. The
    Big Bang: Stock Market Capitalization in the Long Run. Journal of Financial Economics,
    Forthcoming. []
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Weekend reading: meeting your idols

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What caught my eye this week.

The serendipity was too perfect. I thought: I’d write about this on Monevator, but who would believe me?

My girlfriend and I were on a visit last week to a picturesque part of Wales. Out of nowhere the blue sky turned into a thunderstorm (because we were in a picturesque part of Wales) and we dashed for cover under a tarpaulin strung up in a car park, allegedly meant for the patrons of a nearby coffee van but surely put there as advanced compensation by the Welsh tourist board.

An older lady appeared out of the storm. All smiles and shaking her head. A few seconds later her even more elderly partner stepped in.

As I often do and she clearly always does, we got chatting.

Golden dears

It turned out that they were in their mid-to-late-80s and had been semi-retired for decades.

They looked fitter than some of my university friends.

“We always walk at least 13km a day!” the lady told me.

“It’s a big world,” her husband added. “You have to get out to see it.”

They’d met and married in Malaysia more than 50 years ago, when she was visiting as an English teacher. Nowadays they spent half the year living in the poshest part of this town, and spent October to March overseas.

“It’s always summer for us!” laughed the man.

He asked me what I did for a living, but then he didn’t particularly listen before he gave me his investing tips. I’ve heard worse.

She said they did part-time work as marriage counsellors for their church. It was important to stay active and engaged when you’re older, she confided.

“I have three pieces of advice!” interrupted the man. “Always forgive the other person. Don’t argue for more than one minute! And never do anything to make your partner unhappy.”

That last one seemed like a reach, I suggested. In my experience it was often out of your hands?

But he was already off telling my girlfriend how he’d got his baseball cap – and most of the rest of his walking clothes – from visits he’d made to his old employer. Waste not want not.

The rain stopped and we shook hands and said our goodbyes. But then it turned out they were actually walking the same way as us.

Faster than us…

Now he was running! The jogging baby steps of an 86-year old, sure, but definitely pulling away.

“He wants to watch the Lionesses,” the lady told me, as she sped into a power walk. Over her shoulder: “Nice to meet you!”

I wished I’d asked them for their sustainable withdrawal rate.

Have a great weekend.

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The mysterious case of Treasury 2061

With my clubbing days long behind me – unless incipient membership of Saga counts – I get my weekend kicks these days by studying the yields on long-term gilts (UK government bonds).

And for the past couple of weeks I’ve been entranced by a low-coupon gilt maturing in 2061.

This bond is known to wonks as ‘UKT 0.5 2061’ – or just ‘TG61’ – on account of it being:

  • a UK government bond/gilt (‘UKT’)
  • with a 0.5% coupon
  • that matures in 2061

Now, those numbers may not seem exciting to you.

But for the past couple of years they’ve made TG61 the most popular bond since Sean Connery.

Bond jargon explainer: if you’re confused (or you’re about to be confused) by the terms in this article, please refer to our bond lingo lexicon. I won’t make this post even longer by explaining what duration is for the umpteenth time. Our guide makes everything clear.

The appeal of TG61 isn’t completely new to me. I even owned some for a short while last year.

But every time I look at it I’m flabbergasted anew.

One of these bonds is not like the others

What’s so weird about TG61?

Mostly that its yield-to-maturity is meaningfully lower than the similarly long duration gilts sitting either side of it on the curve.

Check out this industrial-strength bond data from Tradeweb:

Source: Tradeweb

Okay, that’s a lot of numbers. But the key and wacky thing to note is the yield column.

Compared to the bonds maturing either side of it, TG61 sports a yield that’s nearly 40 basis points (i.e. 0.4%) lower than its brethren.

So is there something special happening in the year 2061?

Or does TG61 come with a special maturity bonus, like those promotional saving accounts that nab a spot in the Best Buy tables with a last-minute kicker?

No – or at least not exactly.

The lowdown on low coupons

You see, there is something sort of special – though hardly unique – about TG61. Which is that in common with a few others issued in the near-zero interest rate era, it boasts a very low coupon rate.

This low coupon means that while the yield you can expect from TG61 – if you hold to maturity – is 5% (or 4.985% to be precise) only a small proportion of your return comes from income.

Mostly you’ll get a capital gain.

  • You can see TG61 currently costs just over £25. But it will mature in 2061 with a face value of £100.
  • The uplift from £25 to £100 – known as the ‘pull to par’ – delivers the bulk of its 5% yield.

That pull to par works out as a 300% capital gain. The 0.5% coupon is just the cherry on top.

In fact for private investors that little income cherry is more sour than sweet. That’s because as we’ve previously covered, gilt income is taxed but capital gains on gilts are not.

Which means that wealthy folk facing a lot of taxable interest on savings held outside of ISAs and SIPPs can buy TG61 instead, and look forward to a much higher realised return than the equivalent from cash.

Betting on interest rates with Treasury 2061

Well, I say look forward to. But even with my healthy diet and a fairly active lifestyle, let’s just say me seeing 2061 is a stretch goal.

Indeed holding TG61 to maturity might be ambitious for many of the richer folk who own it.

That matters, because TG61’s low coupon and distant maturity date make it a very long duration bond indeed.

Which in turn makes its price very volatile – because it’s very vulnerable to shifting expectations for interest rates and inflation between now and 2061.

  • Just a 1% move in interest rates could see the price of TG61 move by c.30%!

On the other hand, if you can stomach the volatility then this is another reason why you might own TG61.

As I say, thanks to its low coupon and long duration, TG61 is especially responsive to changing interest rates.

Hence if you want to bet on lower rates, you get a lot of bang for your buck here.

An L-shaped graph

None of this is news. Savvy active investors have been hunting for opportunities in long-term gilts since the crash of 2022.

The only snag is that interest rates have stayed higher for longer than many expected.

So even if you grabbed your TG61 after the price falls from the post-Covid bond rout, you’ve had to be pretty nimble with the buy/sell button to bank a profit:

Source: Hargreaves Lansdown

Zoom in on that grim flatlining since 2023 and it’s a story of small rallies followed by lower lows.

Anyone buying and holding TG61 hasn’t got much to show for it yet.

So who would buy a bond like Treasury 61?

Perhaps you’re wondering who would own such a racy gilt, even with its tax advantages?

I mean, they haven’t outlawed bungee jumping and downhill skiing. There are plenty of other ways to get your thrills.

On which note: when I mentioned the long-term, low-coupon gilt trade to my co-blogger The Accumulator, he almost had a SWR-boosting cardiac event at the thought of buying a gilt that doesn’t mature for 36 years.

(He later calmed down with reflection and a hot cocoa).

However kicking things about in text chat, Monevator contributor Finumus pointed me to a recent [paywalled] Bloomberg article claiming the TG61 trade is super-popular in the City.

It’s hip in the Square

Describing the ‘most talked about bond’ as a ‘losing bet’, Bloomberg noted that:

As far back as 2022, a UK bond maturing in 2061 was one of the most popular plays, with City bankers buying them for their own personal accounts and brokers reporting a surge in trading volumes from wealthy clients.

Instead, they’re turning out to be a losing bet. The notes have plunged, wiping out more than half their value since 2022, in a selloff across longer-dated notes that’s been fueled by concerns over government spending. At a time when “buying the dip” is paying off for stock traders, the UK’s 2061s stand as a reminder that it can also be a treacherous game.

“People are still holding onto the position hoping that it will work,” said Megum Muhic, an interest rate strategist at RBC Capital Markets, calling it “the most talked about bond” in the City.

“It’s quite strange. It’s almost turned into a religion or something.”

I knew TG61 had fans. But I didn’t appreciate it was the new lap-dancing for London’s traders and bankers.

A cheap insurance policy

As it happens, I know one of these supposed cultists. It’s the same chap I’ve mentioned before as a recent-ish convert to the long-term gilt game.

My friend is also a Mogul-level Monevator member. So he kindly agreed to share his motivations, as follows:

Let’s start with some caveats.

For my sins, I’m one of those naughty ‘active investors’ that The Investor occasionally speaks of – the sort who owns individual stocks, some of which are obscure, illiquid, and occasionally interesting for the wrong reasons.

So I would say I’ve got a higher-than-average tolerance for volatility and esoterica in my portfolio. That’s important, because the very long-dated, low-coupon gilts I’ve been buying are definitely not for everyone.

As 2022 reminded investors rather forcefully, these instruments can be stomach-churningly volatile. You might wait decades for them to return to par – or even get close to it.

Passive purists, you may want to scroll down a bit (or at least look away politely) for the next few paragraphs.

I began building a position in these bonds in 2023. Now aged in my mid-30s, it felt like time to ease out of the 100% equity allocation I’ve held since my teenage years and start introducing some ballast into the portfolio as I get closer to potentially drawing it down.

Happily, gilts were having a moment – or rather, a markdown. After a generation of yields being miserly, suddenly we had discounts that would make TK Maxx blush.

Now long-dated gilts make up about 7% of my portfolio. I plan to keep adding opportunistically, for as long as yields look attractive to me.

Take that TG61 gilt maturing in 2061: based on Tradeweb data, it’s offering around 5% yield to maturity today.

Inflation could do anything between now and then, but a 5% government-backed return strikes me as a reasonable deal – especially since, all being well, I would be in my early 70s when it matures.

I’m willing to hold it for that long if prices and yields stay at these levels.

So I can’t claim this is a clever short-term trade, or that I’ve chosen to do it as part of an elaborate tax wheeze. It’s a basket of long-term holdings that nudges my portfolio closer to something suitable for eventual drawdown. So far, not so naughty.

But I did buy these gilts with one eye on the ‘option’ they provide.

Just as these long bonds got crushed when rates surged, the opposite could be true if rates fall. To me, it’s not outside the realms of possibility that – even within the next five to ten years – central banks could dust off the same playbook that ‘saved’ the global economy (and markets) during the last two major crises.

A return to quantitative easing might seem far-fetched today. Inflation still feels like an uninvited guest who won’t leave, and geopolitical tensions are bubbling away.

But in my experience, it’s always hard to see past the immediate mess – especially when markets have just taken a beating.

If that happens, these long gilts could soar – just when the rest of my (still equity-heavy) portfolio might be flagging.

In the meantime, I’m happy to have this option in my back pocket while holding onto my bonds, and if nothing else I’ll achieve the long-term yield on offer.

But I can’t help but feel that UK gilts will have their day again – at least at some point in the next 30-odd years. And I can’t shake the sense that the market will take these bonds off my hands in a time of crisis before then.

Who knows? With a bit of luck, I’ll be back here in 2061 to tell you how it all panned out.

Well there you have it, folks. They walk among us!

(Don’t tell The Accumulator…)

Won’t anybody think of the kinks?

My friend is unusual in that he’s buying a range of long-dated gilts. Also, since he’s mostly using tax shelters he’s not super-wedded to the tax advantages.

For most people though, I think you’d only buy TG61 rather than the higher-coupon gilts that flank it if your holding is subject to tax.

After all, you’re getting a much lower yield with TG61. That difference will really add up over the decades.

To illustrate this, Finumus bunged me a yield curve graph that shows what an outlier TG61 is:

As is his wont as a hard-charging captain of finance, Finumus hasn’t labelled the X-axis.

But what we’re looking at is how yields rise as you go out over the decades – before violently glitching down then spiking up again on the right-hand side of the graph.

That ‘woah’ moment? That’s the yield to redemption of Treasury 2061.

Remember my table at the start of this piece? We saw similar long-dated gilts offered yields of almost 5.4%.

The 5% on TG61 looks a very poor deal by comparison.

However you must calculate the after-tax yield – especially for higher or additional-rate tax payers – to truly grok the appeal of the Treasury 2061 gilt.

You can easily get this data from a service called YieldGimp:

Source: YieldGimp

Again, lots of numbers. But the columns to note are the ‘net redemption yield’ for a 40% taxpayer and the ‘equivalent grossed up yield’.

  • The former shows us that a higher-rate taxpayer being taxed on their gilt income can expect a roughly 1% higher redemption yield from owning TG61 instead of TR60 or TR63.
  • The latter calculates that as of today, TG61’s expected return is equivalent to a taxable cash account paying 7.49%.

In this light it’s pretty obvious why those cash-hoarding City boys love it.

Short(er) kings

Obvious… but I don’t think it’s quite a slam dunk though.

There are gilts maturing in 20 to 25 years’ time that offer similar redemption yields to TG61, without you having to go full Bryan Johnson to live long enough to see it mature.

Of course, the very high duration of TG61 – that also makes it such a great play on interest rate cuts – is providing some extra boost to its appeal.

Or maybe there’s some macho thing in the Square Mile about having the cojones to own such a volatile long-dated bond…

…though in that case we need to talk about Treasury 2073!

Or maybe not. The tax-adjusted yield on TR73 is much lower for private investors than on TG61 and others. It’s one for institutions where tax breaks aren’t a factor.

Treasury 2061: another market oddity

Talking of the institutions, it’s a bit of a mystery to me why the TG61 yield anomaly persists.

Shouldn’t the yield differentials be arbitraged away by the deep and liquid gilt market?

I guess the first thing to note is that the market isn’t quite as ‘deep and liquid’ as a bond tourist like me might imagine.

There’s only £26.5bn in TG61, for example, according to YieldGimp.

A big number for sure. But, you know, only 50,000 or so half-a-milly City nest eggs.

More seriously, doesn’t it seem odd that a hedge fund can’t step in and arb the differentials away?

Finumus muttered something about “weird basis risks” when I joked with him that we should set up a vehicle to do it ourselves.

What he means, I think, is that such a fund would use futures contracts and lots of leverage to actually express your view that the yield to maturity on TG61 ought to converge to be roughly the same as its compadres. And these structures would be imperfect enough – especially given the very long timeframes – to make the trade unviable.

Still, it’s interesting to think about, since in my opinion the lower yield on TG61 is really odd.

I’m no expert, but it’s not even obvious to me that the secondary very high duration as a means to get more interest rate risk oomph argument adds up.

Usually in investing you’d expect a higher expected return to compensate you for extra risk.

So it’s all about the income tax break I’d say.

A long and winding road

I do like my friend’s insurance policy angle for owning long-dated gilts though. And I suppose that is much the same as chasing Treasury 2061’s high duration.

Personally, I’ve already tried to tuck some very long gilts away for the same potential crash-protection properties that my pal alludes to.

But, as is my wont, I sold them for a small gain soon after.

Perhaps – unlike my friend, who despite being an investing fanatic can go a year between making trades – I’m just not cut out to own a gilt that matures around the same time I’ll be looking forward to a telegram from King George!

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