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Is cash in an investment account a money maker for you or for your broker?

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The past year saw interest rates ascend from the murky depths of near-zero. What began as a gentle wobble expanded like some giant emission from the sub-aquatic crust below calm seas to – ahem – belch violently at the surface, causing shockwaves in all directions.

Hmm, my co-blogger The Accumulator makes these metaphors look so easy. Anyway you get my point.

Early last year I warned this regime change could derail early retirement plans by whacking equities and bonds. Mortgage rates would rise, too. Although on a brighter note cash savings would pay more. Albeit not, as things have turned out, by anything like enough to match inflation.

In the UK we eventually even got a government-induced Mini Financial Crisis, when a spike in bond yields threatened to blow-up the pension system and imperil the banks again.

And to my surprise, this shift is still not over. 18 months ago I’d expected inflation to have eased a lot by now. The longer high inflation lasts, the more likely it gets embedded via higher wages.

Policymakers are similarly bemused, if not panicked. They first talked of “transient” inflation. Then they unleashed a rapid succession of hikes. Then they arguably lowered their guard – only to see inflation fears now pick up again.

Bonds and equities have fallen recently as more and longer-lasting US rate rises are back in sight:

Rate expectations

What we are seeing here is the messy sausage-making behind the ugly word ‘normalization’.

We’ve gone back to a world where money is no longer almost free.

As much discussed, the inverted yield curve that has resulted from the rate hikes that got us here seems to predict a recession is coming. (Though the academic behind this signal has doubts).

Most pundits expect a mild slowdown. But I suppose a very deep recession could hammer the outlook for inflation and hence rates. Maybe we can’t entirely dismiss a return to near-zero interest rates – especially if the vast amount of borrowing out there limits how long high rates can endure.

However it looks much likelier to me that we’ve seen the last of policy rates of 0-2% from central banks for a while. That we’re back in a 3-6% market interest rate world.

That has consequences for financial products and services, and for government borrowing and business strategies, too.

Higher borrowing costs will surely inflict a correction on frothy residential property markets. Higher costs will also change how businesses raise money and where and why they invest. Zombie outfits propped up by low rates could finally go bust. There will be other winners and losers.

Banks for instance should do better in a higher rate environment, all things considered. They’ve become masters at finding other ways to make money rather than simply sweating their ‘net interest margin’, which was crushed in the near-zero era. But the alchemy of lending at higher rates and paying savers less is more forgiving at today’s levels. So traditional banking should do markedly better from here. (Barring a true housing crash…)

Elsewhere, any company sitting on a lot of cash will finally have the wind at its back – whereas such prudence was a drag on returns for over a decade.

But these won’t just be conservative companies with strong balance sheets.

We can also expect firms that take a lot of customer cash upfront – and then sit on it for a while – to report higher income from interest earned, too.

Many companies are in this position. It all depends on exactly when they pay their suppliers for whatever they sell their customers. A big delay creates a cash ‘float’ that can generate an income.

Cash in an investment account

However the most interesting winners from the return to higher rates from a Monevator perspective are the investment platforms and brokers.

Stephen Yiu – who manages the sometime market-beating Blue Whale Growth Fund – reminded me of this in a recent interview with the Investor’s Chronicle.

Yiu mentions his fund invested in US broker Charles Schwab explicitly on expectations of higher interest rates. That’s because Schwab earns interest on cash left idle in its customer accounts.

When risk-free rates were very low, this ability was redundant.

But with short-term US rates nearing 5% and Schwab boasting $7.5 trillion in assets under management, it’s almost a superpower.

Not all Schwab’s trillions under management will be in the right kind of assets or accounts. I just pulled up that $7.5 trillion total figure from investor relations. Plenty of assets will be, though.

Consider next that Yiu says 10% of customers’ money on Schwab’s platform is typically held in cash. Depending on what exactly you multiply by what, you can quickly forecast a huge income stream here.

All without any of the risks attendant with banking.

I remember seeing a similar dynamic when studying the results of Hargreaves Lansdown many years ago. Interest on customer cash back then contributed nicely to its profits. But this dwindled to nothingness in the years after the financial crisis.

Hargreaves scrambled for a fix for a while. It even worked up a peer-to-peer savings product, though this was ultimately scrapped. But today’s higher interest rates are a panacea.

Hargreaves’ revenue in its latest half jumped 20% thanks to higher interest income and customers holding more cash, presumably spooked by last year’s turmoil. That’s a nice hedge to the bond and equity downturn for the investment platform.

Indeed from its perspective, the best thing a customer can do is hold cash.

From its recent results:

Overall revenue margin [was] between 50 and 55 basis points, primarily reflecting the higher revenue margin on cash resulting from higher interest rates. The margin for each asset class being:

– Funds 38-39 basis points (no change)

– HL Funds 55-60 basis points (no change)

– Shares 30-35 basis points (no change)

– Cash 160-170 basis points

Notice that cash is by far the most profitable asset class for the broker.

How do you rate them?

Higher rates are good news for Hargreaves Lansdown and its shareholders, then. But what about for you and me?

Well I was dismayed to hear Schwab’s US customers leave 10% of their money un-invested.

Yet a quick glance at where customers keep their money on Hargreaves Lansdown suggests we’re even worse – with just over 11% of investment account assets held in cash.

To be fair, Hargreaves Lansdown does pay interest on this cash. From 1% to 2.4% right now, depending on what kind of account you have the cash in, and how much you have there in total.

As a quick comparison, rates seem a little higher at Interactive Investors. Whereas it appears that AJ Bell pays a little less. This is just my quick impression, you’ll have to break out the calculator and look at your own balances for an accurate comparison. And of course consider the total cost of investing.

We’ve thought about adding interest rates to our broker comparison table, incidentally, but the wide variety of permutations – and the frequent rate shifts – means it’s not really feasible.

Hence you’ll have to do your own research I’m afraid.

Money for nothing

Whatever your broker pays you on cash in an investment account, the point is those rates are likely much far lower than you – and your broker – can earn with the best cash or cash-like options.

Which is exactly why uninvested cash is a profit center for the brokers.

Investment platforms need to make money of course. Even zero commission brokers must get paid to stay in business.

Personally I’d prefer to see higher interest rates at the expense of higher explicit charges, at least with the mainstream platforms. (And lower foreign exchange costs while we’re at it. They’re dreadfully expensive at most platforms.)

However I’m in a minority. As with free banking, we’ve been conditioned to look for cheaper-to-zero explicit costs – and to not think about exactly how we’re the product as well as the customer.

Make any cash in an investment account work for you

The bottom line is that if we’re now back in a permanently higher interest rate world, then you need to have a strategy for what you’re doing with your cash allocation.

We have already seen skirmishes in this battle in the past few months.

For instance, there was the short-lived euphoria over the high interest rate Vanguard was paying – but this has since been reduced.

I suspect the previous charging structure was a legacy of the low-rate era that the investing giant hadn’t got around to updating until customers (and us!) paid attention. See the comments to that article for how things played out there.

We’ve also seen growing interest in money market funds.

My co-blogger is skeptical about these, but I see it a bit differently.

I definitely agree that if you want all the benefits of cash, hold cash. Any funds are riskier, even if those risks are tiny. Both in terms of volatility and risk to capital, but also maybe access in a crunch.

However if you have the bulk of your worth inside investment accounts – and a lot of that is in cash – then the extra income you could get from a money market fund paying you more than 3% versus a broker paying 1.5% could be meaningful.

And given how much we obsess over small fee differences around here, I don’t think we should lightly dismiss the cost of uncompetitive cash holdings. So perhaps putting a portion of whatever you want to hold in cash into a money market fund could make sense for some.

There are also fixed income ETFs that fit the bill. I own a big slug of the iShares Ultrashort Bond ETF. (Ultrashort in terms of duration, not in terms of ‘going short’!) This holds mostly investment grade corporate bonds close to maturity. It is very stable, can be disposed of in moments, and currently boasts a weighted yield-to-maturity of 4.7%, if you believe the iShares factsheet.

A better option though if you want to permanently own cash as part of your investment portfolio – to diversify your ‘bond-ish’ 40% or similar of your 60/40 portfolio, say – would be to start opening cash ISAs again. This way you’d get a tax-free and competitive return on your cash. And that cash would actually behave exactly like cash in a crisis. (That is, it would do precisely nothing.)

Just please don’t leave 11% of your portfolio lying around in your investment account as a generic cash balance on a long-term basis. You’re throwing money away.

Or if you do, then maybe also buy some shares in Hargreaves Lansdown or Schwab. That way you might also benefit from such folly!

{ 18 comments… add one }
  • 1 xxd09 March 9, 2023, 4:34 pm

    Never held cash in an stock and shares investment account /platform ie my ISAs and SIPPs but I do need to keep a couple years living expenses in cash to feed my current account as required-can be £70000+ especially after the single yearly withdrawal top up from ISAs and/or SIPPs
    Used to use high interest bank or building society accounts but £1000 tax free interest limit for basic rate tax payers now easily breached with relatively small sums -£25000- £30000 so….
    Instant access Cash ISAs seem to have come on the scene -easy to use and paying competitive interest rates -alas nowhere near inflation rates
    I don’t remember them being available in a competitive form in previous years
    No tax worries so Inam now using this format
    xxd09

  • 2 BeardyBillionaireBloke March 10, 2023, 3:30 am

    I typically leave any cash until it’s over £1000 or so (not worth tiny transactions) and then buy tracker units with it.

    There’s an argument for me having more cash but after 3 years retired (including lockdown) I’m still switching my mentality to decumulation.

  • 3 Andrew March 10, 2023, 11:37 am

    The problem with cash ISAs is you’ll be endlessly chasing rates and doing transfers. Stick your cash in your S&S ISA at a good broker and at least you can switch money market or bond funds effortlessly if something better comes along. Its just a better model overall, and I think app based “banks” like Chip, and even AJ Bells cash hub thing recognize this.

    Brokers > Banks

  • 4 xxd09 March 10, 2023, 11:51 am

    Andrew-take your point but I am parking cash only
    Not too much chasing of rates needed nowadays because it’s a very competitive market out there
    Instant Cash ISAs mean one less tax thing to think about in retirement -making life simpler!
    xxd09

  • 5 Andrew March 10, 2023, 1:58 pm

    Heads up! Apparently H&L are to cut some platform fees from 0.45% to 0.25% tomorrow.

  • 6 Squiggle March 10, 2023, 2:37 pm

    My S&S ISA is with Vanguard and I cannot see options to purchase any money market fund which pays a higher rate than what Vanguard currently pay on cash held in the S&S ISA. I do tend to have a whack of cash waiting to be invested at any given time so would be interested to know if I am missing a trick.

  • 7 Jon March 10, 2023, 3:21 pm

    It is about time HL cut fees – everybody says they are expensive, one of the highest DIY platforms around. I was just about to transfer a SIPP with them but will see what they’re offering first. Having said that find their account and service is second to none but with only investing mostly in one global fund per platform it’s a waste (get more miserly as I get older ). 0.25% about tops what I am prepared to pay nowadays (providing I can’t get any other decent platform cheaper).

    Regarding cash, I keep it off platform as I don’t want it to take up room within the FSCS limit for investments that could be used for fund investments (due to there being separate lots of 85K FSCS protection between cash deposits and investments). That way it keeps the costs on platforms down since I spread investments over different platforms due to relatively small FSCS limit.

    I also spread cash around bank savings accounts/cash ISA’s always within the FSCS bank deposits limit. Of course it is a bit of faff chasing around for best rates but transferring cash ISA’s is easy – most are online form only, just done another one to Virgin – 5 minutes form filling online and they transferred in less than 2 days.

    It’s the switching of normal savings accounts and having to manually transfer large amounts from savings to current account and then on to another savings a/c that is a pain as most current account providers seem to always flag and block many larger transactions. That’s when the problems start. I do have a Cash Platform (Raisin account) but not really a fan too much of cash platforms as they don’t usually offer too many of the top rates – well only once in a while, and I haven’t noticed HL or AJ Bell cash platforms having many top rates to shout about.

    It may seem a lot of bother but I don’t actively invest – so investing doesn’t take up much of my time and so in the scheme of things it isn’t that bad – and I sleep better.

  • 8 BBBetter March 10, 2023, 3:51 pm

    @Jon, your fund investments wont count towards the 85k limit as they are out of platform’s control.

  • 9 weenie March 10, 2023, 3:57 pm

    Apparently, in the last six months of 2022, HL made £121.6 million just on customer cash sitting in their accounts, nice bit of passive income for them!

    As interest rates went up, I opened my first cash ISA (instant access) in years to park a bit of emergency cash – 3% is 2.95% better than what was available previously!

  • 10 Jon March 10, 2023, 4:09 pm

    @ BBB – “your fund investments wont count towards the 85k limit as they are out of platform’s control.”

    Not sure how you mean. Can you explain further.

    I believed there was an 85k limit per investment platform – as that is all you can claim if platform was to go bust and also 85k limit per fund provider (say Fidelity)- in case that fund provider goes bust. Is this wrong?

  • 11 Jon March 10, 2023, 4:20 pm

    Further to the above I read this on Monevator article – “Investor Compensation Schemes – are you covered?

    “If your broker / online platform goes under and takes your monies with it, then you can claim for up to £85,000, if there’s no other way to get your money back. Same again for your fund manager. For example, if Vanguard failed and your money mysteriously vanished, you could be due up to £85,000 compensation in that scenario, too.”

  • 12 Jon March 10, 2023, 5:09 pm

    @BBB – were you talking about this that I wrote:

    “Regarding cash, I keep it off platform as I don’t want it to take up room within the FSCS limit for investments that could be used for fund investments (due to there being separate lots of 85K FSCS protection between cash deposits and investments).”

    If so, I know I didn’t word it very well as I am aware “cash” & “investments” have separate FSCS protection – as I mentioned above – but by cash I meant investing in cash “money market funds” as had been talked about in the article – as I just assumed these would be classed as “investments” as they are termed money market “funds” and so be aggregated in with that lot of FSCS protection (although I don’t 100% know this is the case for sure.)

    I didn’t mean just having actual cash on an investment platform or cash in a “cash platform” that also provides investments, say like HL do, as I am aware these are separate FSCS protection limits between the cash and investments.

    If it’s not that then I am still unsure what you meant? Would be pleased to know as wouldn’t want to be making any mistakes which is entirely possible, as I am only relatively new to investing and made my fair share already!

  • 13 Martin T March 11, 2023, 7:13 am

    It’s not just investment platforms that do this. Octopus Energy credited the £200 Govt funded Alternative Fuel Payment to our (already in credit) electricity account on 14th Feb, but didn’t email customers to tell them till 2nd March. I twigged, and requested it be paid to me, on 23rd Feb, which they said would take 7 – 10 working days ‘after approval’. Still waiting….

  • 14 ian March 11, 2023, 9:44 am

    really interested in the etf mentioned in this article https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/literature/fact-sheet/erns-ishares-ultrashort-bond-ucits-etf-fund-fact-sheet-en-gb.pdf

    for a bit of context I’ll explain our circumstances .

    my wife is going to front run her DB teachers pension with her HL sipp, starting this August 2023 when she will turn 55. Her SIPP is valued at £124000 and is currently all in cash

    the sipp will be drawn down to zero over a period of five years taking drawdown each year, something like this:
    year 1: £22K year 2: £23K year 3 : £24K year 4: £26K year 5: remained except for £50

    now at present her cash is earning 2.3%, reducing as she draws down, this is why we are interested in the etf, but what is the risk???

    looking at this chart there was a fall in Dec 2022, but why??
    https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/ishares-iv-plc-gbp-ultrashort-bond-ucits/share-charts

    what is the risk going forward?

    there is a thread in the citywire forum discussing our circumstances and looking at solutions, welcome any thoughts on here as well??

    https://moneyforums.citywire.com/yaf_postsm260227_SIPP-drawdown-over-five-years-and-moneymarket-funds.aspx#post260227

  • 15 The Investor March 11, 2023, 10:28 am

    @ian — Whatever you decide to do, please remember articles and reader comments are not personal financial advice! That is serious money and a serious issue, please get professionals involved if you need to. Cheers!

  • 16 Nearlyrich March 11, 2023, 11:45 am

    My energy supplier (all names withheld 😉 ) seems prepared to allow my not insignificant debt to grow and not charge any interest. I work on the principle of returning to zero in the summer rather than building a ‘pot’ for the winter, so at the moment I’m earning 5% offsetting the cash I haven’t given them against my mortgage. Two can play at that game eh?

  • 17 mp March 17, 2023, 12:44 pm

    @ian
    that was the ex-dividend date. 86p of dividend.
    Other than that, be aware that while this fund has very little duration risk, it does have some credit risk.

  • 18 st March 26, 2023, 10:13 pm

    Is there a index fund that is similar to the iShares Ultrashort Bond ETF?

    My platform is commission free for trading funds but not ETFs and there don’t seem to be any platforms that offer free or cheap trades for both index funds and ETFs.

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