What caught my eye this week.
When I first began writing about investing on Monevator in 2007, I wondered when I’d run out of things to say.
The basics of good personal finance can famously be written on a Post It note.
At the same time, index funds were already mopping up retail investors’ money like baleen whales feasting at an all-you-can-eat plankton buffet.
As for the economy, the UK chancellor Gordon Brown boasted he’d put an end to boom and bust.
What would there be left to talk about?
Of course the Great Financial Crisis soon kicked such complacency into touch.
And shortly afterwards The Accumulator started writing for Monevator. His beady forensic eye for the hidden costs and frictions to avoid in passive investing – and his awareness of the psychological landmines that abound – proved this blog could be a writing project to take us into old age, if you guys will keep having us…
(AI notwithstanding!)
Harder, better, faster, stronger
What I didn’t see coming in 2007 though was that the mechanics and tools of private investing would continue to evolve…
…or devolve, depending on your perspective.
We already had index funds, ETFs, cheap share trading for those who wanted it – though not zero commissions yet – and innovations like all-in-one and target-date funds that wrapped best investing practice into products that enabled you to buy good investing habits off the shelf.
There was still a wealth of venerable investment trusts for old nostalgics like me to kick the tyres on should we want to do something different, too.
Were we crying out for free share trading, levered and short ETFs, and Bitcoin?
Probably not, but they came our way anyway – and there’s no end in sight.
In just the past few weeks I’ve been reading about:
- Mirror notes from the investing platform Republic (formerly Seedrs) to enable UK investors to get exposure to the performance of unlisted SpaceX.
- The new stablecoin legislation in the US. Boosters say it lays the groundwork for moving the financial rails wholesale onto the blockchain.
- RobinHood’s tokenised stocks – now available in Europe – which combine both these ideas to purportedly enable you to bet on the future of OpenAI, say, again via the blockchain.
- The UK’s FCA relenting to allow everyday investors to buy exchange-traded notes tracking Bitcoin and potentially other crypto assets from 8 October.
Is such innovation a good thing?
Well… perhaps more than seems likely right now.
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Paul Volcker, the inflation-beating chairman of the Federal Reserve, notoriously remarked that the ATM was the only useful financial innovation of the past 30 years – at least as of the time of his quipping.
But even as he spoke, the seeds were being laid for the very welcome private investing revolution that I outlined at the start of this piece.
So maybe we should be humble about where these latest developments might lead?
It’s easy to be cynical about whether the average person has any need to buy crypto-based exposure to Elon’s rocket ships.
But perhaps we will all be doing something similar a couple of decades hence – and maybe not even realising it?
On the other hand, I have some sympathy with Bill McBride, who won a bit of renown in the blogosphere nearly 20 years ago by predicting the financial crisis.
And his view of these latest innovations is sobering:
The key to preventing a financial crisis is to keep the non-regulated (or poorly regulated) areas of finance out of the financial system.
A good example is the Tulip Bubble in the 1600s. Some people got rich, others were wiped out, but it had no impact on the financial system.
Unfortunately the current administration has embraced crypto. They are allowing it to creep into the financial system, and allowing 401K plans to hold crypto (aka future bagholders).
There has been some discussion of allowing financial institutions to lend against crypto holdings – like for a mortgage.
This is mistake and increases the possibility that crypto will be the source of the next financial crisis.
Time will tell. But hopefully we’ll be here to report on the unfolding drama again should the worst happen…
Please share your thoughts in the comments below, and have a great weekend.
From Monevator
Sticking to a financial plan when the honeymoon is over [Members] – Monevator
From the archive-ator: Seven unusual ideas for a better value wedding – Monevator
News
UK GDP slows as economy feels effect of higher business costs – Sky
Employers hire virtual staff and contractors to combat the N.I. hike – This Is Money
House prices are falling, but it’s a mixed picture across Britain – This Is Money
Over 3.6m investors pay dividend tax [Twice as many as in 2021] – Yahoo Finance
Average mortgage rates below 5% for the first time since Truss budget – BBC
Oasis tour injected £1.1 billion into the UK economy – This Is Money
London developer must pay ex-wife £15m after hiding assets in ‘sham’ trust – Standard

Fees predict performance – Basis Pointing
Inheritance tax speculation mini-special
Treasury looking at IHT again to plug deficit [No Brexit cited, as usual] – Guardian
Gifting and the seven-year rule are apparently in the spotlight – Morningstar
How does IHT work today and what might be changing? – Guardian
Yet another take – This Is Money
How onshore bonds can help beat inheritance tax – MoneyWeek
The already-planned changes largely protect family farms, study finds – CenTax
Products and services
Celebrate your birthday with 35 freebies and discounts – Which
Beat the base rate for three months with Prosper’s 4.5% fixed-rate savings – T.I.M.
What’s happening to car insurance premiums? – Which
Get up to £1,500 cashback when you transfer your cash and/or investments to Charles Stanley Direct through this affiliate link. Terms apply – Charles Stanley
The pros and cons of an immediate needs annuity – This Is Money
Savings will be taxed directly from pay packets from 2027 – Standard via Yahoo
How to avoid getting stung for hidden hotel charges – Be Clever With Your Cash
Try health service Thriva via my affiliate link and we both get £30 in credit – Thriva
How to complain to the Financial Ombudsman Service – Be Clever With Your Cash
Homes for sale near golf courses, in pictures – Guardian
Comment and opinion
Un-exceptional US stock market earnings? – Elm Funds
How the top rate of income tax became a middle-class problem – The Times
Retirement is only halfway up the mountain – A Teachable Moment
Everything is disruptable – Abnormal Returns
More meetings means less thinking – Behavioural Investment
How to use Bitcoin in your portfolio – Morningstar
The first $10,000 is the most important – Of Dollars and Data
Is London’s financial future evolving or eroding? – CNBC
Why the first years of retirement matter most – Retirement Researcher
Wealthy people buy more insurance than theory predicts – Alpha Architect
Investing and longevity mini-special
How likely is it that an investor will outlast their savings? – Maths Investor
Investing in the inevitable tides of demographic change – Polymath Investor
What are your chances of ending up in a care home? [Paywall] – FT
Naughty corner: Active antics
Three big ideas for understanding how stocks work – Fortunes & Frictions
Retail traders are driving crazy post-earnings volatility – Sherwood
How much cash should companies hold? [Research, PDF] – Morgan Stanley
The damage done by MiFID II – Klement on Investing
Shorting is hard – Inside the Mind of Mojo
A Novo Nordisk deep dive – Quartr
Super-long Japanese government debt: the new widow-maker – FT
Kindle book bargains
What They Don’t Teach You About Money by Claer Barrett – £0.99 on Kindle
Too Big to Fail by Andrew Ross Sorkin – £0.99 on Kindle
50 Economics Ideas by Edmund Conway – £0.99 on Kindle
Mastering the Business Cycle by Howard Marks – £0.99 on Kindle
Environmental factors
Europe bakes and burns, turning holiday hotspots into infernos – Guardian
Government inexplicably tells citizens to delete old emails to save water – Tom’s Hardware
Squid and chips? UK’s warming waters could change what we eat – Independent
What might happen to cities as sea levels rise? – Klement on Investing
Why ‘best time to visit’ no longer applies – BBC
Plight of the bumblebees – Biographic
Our wasteful culture has led us to Wet Wipe Island – Standard
Study finds whales and dolphins regularly hang out togother – The Conversation
Robot overlord roundup: ChatGPT-5 edition
OpenAI moves fast and breaks ChatGPT – Spyglass
GPT-5 – “a legitimate expert in anything” – can’t spell – Sherwood
An AI nerd rounds-up all the other takes on GPT-5 – Don’t Worry About The Vase
GPT-5 and other LLMs are not human brains. They never will be – Gary Marcus
Not at the dinner table
The permanent stain – Andrew Sullivan
Trump administration asks NASA to draw up plans to destroy its own climate-monitoring satellites – NPR
How big are Trump’s tariff revenues, really? – NPR
Mimicking China isn’t how the US should race against China – Faster, Please
Why a Leeds teenager woke up with a Chinese bounty on her head – Guardian
Is America about to solve its housing problem? [Podcast] – The New Bazaar
Off our beat
China’s unemployed young adults who pay to pretend to have jobs – BBC
Meta (Facebook/Instagram) makes at least $25 a month per US user – Sherwood
As thousands of teenagers scramble for university places…why? – Guardian
The rise and fall of musical ringtones – Stat Significant
Dining across the divide – Guardian
Wandering in Woolwich – Propegator
No printers or PCs says Starbucks Korea to its customers – BBC
And finally…
“Have some humility – plenty of clever people get spanked regularly by the markets.”
– Tim Hale, Smarter Investing
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How are you going with the Thriva stuff TI? You learning much from it? Getting some sort of ongoing value? Tricky to know if it’s useful or just another 23andme..
The TIM article on changes to IHT quotes a partner at a law firm saying that “parents … may after the next budget suffer an additional tax on death”. That’s quite a claim. I wasn’t aware of any evidence of an after-life, let alone claiming to know of the suffering people’s souls may encounter when they get there. 🙂
There’s no innovation in blockchain. No good examples I can think of. When it was all the rage plenty of the world’s biggest companies tried to use it, and ended up giving up. Trump is a huge fan of crypto, because it has allowed his family to make billions, through cryptos only use case, scamming money from financially ignorant bag holders. Over in bogleheads and on here, I’m yet to meet any millionaires who are into crypto. Personally I find it too pointless to consider, and can’t forgive the environmental damage it has caused for no reason either.
Bitcoin is still planet-destroying garbage … but … if there’s going to be a sudden inrush of money into what is by design a limited system, I am tempted to take a punt on it. I wonder if I can offset the CO2.
Obv’s agree no ‘innovation’ in Blockchain.
Nowadays it’s grifter’s paradise (witness the embrace of the Orange one).
Still, for the cyberpunks and libertarians who got in at the get go, and HoDL (more power to them), it’s been the ride of a lifetime: $100 (£60 at the time) got you 20,000 coins (@0.5 cents each) when the 1st CeX, BitcoinMarket, opened its doors (on 17/3/2010) under founder moniker “Dustbin Dollar (USA)” – that’d be ~£1.3 bn today for a UK coiner, after 24% CGT.
But that was then, and this is now.
BTC, ETH & SOL just ain’t gonna return what they did in their early days.
Mathematically impossible given size of global asset pool.
Sure crypto*could* still slightly outpace the winning companies in ‘Bessembinder’s lottery’ over the next 30 years; but I wouldn’t bet on it.
What was, in 2009-10, an ideal pursued by a few enthusiasts who’d read a bit too much John Brunner, PKD and Will Gibson (kids of the flower power generation meet Silicon Valley nerds and Ayn Rand), had already become, by the time Karpelès came along and brought MtGox, just another online casino/game of pass the parcel (or “empty box”, as SBF revealing admitted).
My highly heterodox view is that the innovation which we need, but will never get, is a closed end Investment Trust listed on a major UK exchange and ISA eligible which implements multiple (rebalanced) aggressive (levered) sector and asset class ETF rotation strategies (under one umbrella, with automated execution). The idea here being that someone in their early twenties puts (via ISA) £10,000 they’ve scraped together 80% into plain vanilla VWRL (their core straightforward global tracker ETF) and the last 20% into said ‘shoot the lights out attempt’ IT, and, thereafter in each month of the next and subsequent tax years, commits £1,000 p.c.m. split 90% into VWRL and 10% into the bonkers sector leverage rotation strategy (LRS) IT. Then repeat for 30 years.
If the mad sounding IT investment goes to naught, then you still end up with about 90% of what you would have had being 100% in VWRL, which is fine.
Perfectly acceptable maximum downside there.
But, if the LRS IT does work, and delivers (as many backtests and Monte Carlo simulations in investing Substack land purport to show) 30%-40%+ p.a. nominal returns, after trading costs (against, say 7% nominal, and 5% real, for a plain old VWRL ETF B&H approach), then you’d end up with many, many multiples of what you would have had invested 100% into VWRL alone (do the math 😉 ).
Obviously, as the paramount aim of fund management is not highly volatile multi decade performance but, instead, to gather and retain as much fee paying AUM as possible, and as ‘safety sells’ (or at least the superficial appearance of safety) no so such IT will ever be launched.
Noone will try and even if they ever did, then the FCA would shut them down.
Instead, as it suits those UHNWs to have bag holders to offload their unlisted assets, we’ll get unnecessary things like access to PE and VC late stage etc via ETFs which, like the SPAC scam of 2021, are all but guaranteed to underperform.
Shane. But hey ho 🙁
To be fair Gordon Brown boasted he’d put an end to Tory boom and bust.
Obvs Socialist boom and bust is a plain different thing.
#5: “Shame” not “Shane”, and apologies also for the errand “so” – God I hate this 10 minute edit countdown, and midget finger sized touchscreen phone keyboard!
@Invariant (#2):
Seems quality lawyers abound this week – the MS article quotes a lawyer “noting that this tax break [PETs/gifting] only exists in the UK, suggests that the government could go down the route of capping gifts” – which is absolute nonsense!
The MW article then adds further confusion by mentioning (possibly just the once) offshore bonds in its article about onshore bonds.
Good links (as ever). The time taken to compile them is much appreciated.
Pretty sobering those NPR and Andrew Sullivan ones aren’t they? 🙁
The NASA business is basically a IRL version of the plot to Don’t Look Up.
Question now is are we 1/8th way through this madness with the Mad King Mrk 2.0, or will this all just go on and on, and get even worse in different guises, a la Putin’s playbook?
I don’t take much comfort from the fact here that the condition of humanity throughout most of history has been one of feudalism, servitude and ignorance. Let’s hope that the future isn’t ‘nasty, brutish and short’, as Thomas Hobbes characterised his contemporary world.
@DH #7
“God I hate this 10 minute edit countdown, and midget finger sized touchscreen phone keyboard!”
Compose your response in a separate text editor/notes app/program, ideally on a desktop/laptop – it’s a far more pleasant experience. Leave it as a draft for at least 10 minutes. Come back to it and read it slowly, preferably several times. Correct/amend as desired. Then copy and paste into the Monevator comment box.
Good idea, but perhaps not so practical when typing on foot through open countryside en route to a village fête 😉 At least the typos mean you know it’s not ChatGPT speaking. I do have a Chromebook when at rest, but no classic laptop or desktop, and not for browsing, just for online banking, fund platforms and shopping, where security paramount.
@Rhino — I like it. I have a certain hereditary health condition that it’s helpful to track a marker of without having to rely/bother the NHS for a more frequent cadence. I think it’s great for flagging stuff early that might be a problem later. Important not to get obsessed though.
@Invariant — Very droll. It is quite an old-fashioned view I suppose… 😉
@all — Re: blockchain, well, time will tell. There’s a bunch of stuff out there suggesting that (perhaps) energy will be near-free soon. (Trump administration notwithstanding, in fact it’s a major reason why his clinging to fossil fuels could be so damaging for the US). If this happens then some of those concerns go away. I agree blockchain hasn’t delivered anything the world couldn’t do perfectly well before without it, so far. But there’s potential there.
@Dearieme — Yeah, I did vaguely remember that, but historical stickling would have impaired the flow of my prose.
Cheers for thoughts everyone. Pretty much the slowest weekend of the year these mid-summer doldrums so nice to see the regulars dropping by…
> There’s a bunch of stuff out there suggesting that (perhaps) energy will be near-free soon.
Wassat? Is the current batch of Colombian marching powder particularly strong or is there reason to file this differently from other assertions of cornucopianism like ‘too cheap to meter’. A promise that is older than I am that still ain’t happened yet.
We should also remember that the First Law of conservation of energy states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Let us hope that the heat produced ends up in useful places!
@ermine – Re: first law… Until quite recently, I was concerned that all this renewable energy would eventually result in waste heat that would further warm the planet. But then I reasoned that – as per the first law – things like solar and wind are just capturing energy that is on earth already, so I stopped worrying. I guess nuclear is more of a concern in that respect as it’s energy that wouldn’t ordinarily be released, but maybe the others could even result (eventually) in capturing of excess energy that would reduce planet heating.
I suspect the reality is about a hundred times more complicated than my simple reasoning, given that some forms of heat can dissipate into space and some are trapped by greenhouse gases etc. If anyone can shed any light on the reality of all this I’d be genuinely interested.
@Invariant #15 the WP article on greenhouse effect summarises the method well. The shorter wavelength incoming energy passes through mostly but the longer wave IR radiation from the surface of the earth so heated is somewhat prevented from escaping. Like the glass in your greenhouse that lets the sun through but not the heated up surfaces of the plants so much.
I’d agree with you that renewables probably aren’t an issue, nor is the energy itself realised from fossil fuel burning, but near-free energy will result in a lot of that energy being released as heat. and near-free will result is massively increased consumption. The energy returned on energy invested of renewables is piss-poor compared to fossil fuel extraction, so I don’t think renewables as such will result in near-free energy. Good things yes, but massive drop to near-free, well that extraordinary claim does rather require extraordinary support. If it’s nuclear fusion, well, that’s another promise made before I was born that is yet to deliver on its promise. And possibly if it did would lead us into that excess heat problem, although I guess we could apply some of this power too cheap to meter on extracting CO2 on a whopping scale. All sorts of things become possible with energy too cheap to meter, including turning lead into gold (using science, not magic) which would be a different problem 😉
Not a subject I know a lot about (so may have details in the following incorrect), but the global imbalance in energy budget (solar energy in – reflected and other energy out) is about 460 TW, i.e., about 4 million TWh per year, while the global annual generation of electricity is about 30000 TWh, i.e., less than 1% of the total imbalance. In other words, man made energy use is small compared to the imbalance in the natural energy budget and a free source of energy wouldn’t change this that much (at least initially). However, CO2 emissions reduce the energy lost to space in the natural budget and hence climate change.
I’m sure there’s an Asimov(?) story somewhere where excess heat from the earth is dumped into someone else’s ‘dimension’.
Surely the dominant feature in the nooze is the 30 year gilt yield at 5.6% when the euro 30 year bond yield is around 3.7%, the US $ 4.9%, JPY Yen is 3.10%, AUS $ is 4.9%, China is 2%. I probably don’t understand any of this but am just wondering if there’s a reason for all of that 🙂 Is it some kind of moron premium, perhaps? Highest in the UK since 1998, I read. I imagine Rachel Reeves is sweating heavily at the moment and I suspect it’s not just the hot weather. Perhaps the bond market is going to having a major and increasing influence on UK fiscal policy. Feels like either major tax rises or spending cuts are likely round the corner.
@Seeking Fire 18
You’re right, in that you don’t understand the yield comparison. Cross currency basis spread is what you need to look at to compare perceived “credit risk” across currencies.
Your last point still stands, though the UK is hardly alone in this, it seems to be an inbuilt feature of many economies in this century. I imagine tax rises are probably the prescription given. There doesn’t seem to be any appetite for spending cuts, probably because of the narrow tax base.
#15,16,17 – 174,000 Terawatts of solar radiation are intersected by the Earth, of which, after 30% is reflected back by the atmosphere, 122,000 Terawatts reach the Earth’s surface.
Humans generate just 18 Terawatts overall (of which 9 Terawatts is actually productively used, allowing for losses in production and transmission), of which just over 3 Terawatts is for electricity.
All life on Earth uses somewhere between 100 and 500 Terawatts.
Given the Stefan-Boltzmann Law (total energy radiated by a black body is directly proportional to the fourth power of its absolute temperature), and bearing in mind Earth’s surface temperature is already about 300 Kelvin, then increasing human energy production from 18 Terawatts now to 1,000 Terawatts would result in Earth’s surface temperature rising by just ~1 degree Kelvin (or Centigrade) due to radiative forcing.
This compares rather favourably with the IPCC forecast of a 2.7 degrees Centigrade rise in global average temperature by 2100 due to the greenhouse effect.
If we crack deuterium to deuterium (DT-DT) fusion we can extract DT from seawater (~150 parts per million of hydrogen in seawater by atoms and one part in ~3,300 of hydrogen in seawater by atomic mass).
Limiting extraction to 50% of the available ~46 trillion tonnes of DT in seawater (to keep extraction costs to no more than double their starting cost); a 1,000 Terawatt civilisation (e.g. 100 kilowatts each for 10 billion people, compared to 25 kilowatts for each current Californian) could be supplied with energy from fusion alone for 250 million years.
As it happens, 1,000 Terawatts (a Petawatt) is the tolerable thermodynamic limit (of 1 degree Kelvin global warming from radiative forcing) which epoch.ai uses as the upper bound of practical energy availability (compatible with human activity at readily adaptable temperatures) for their projections for a near future ‘agentic ASI singularity’ data centre driven digital economy – see their Gate model here:
https://epoch.ai/gate
The cost curves for renewables tell the story, especially for solar, with fusion the Deus ex Machina that makes ‘near free’ energy even more trivial. As I understand it for all these systems it’s already the human factor (putting solar panels in the ground, de-rusting wind turbines, whatnot) that comprises the major portion of the lifetime cost that is resistant to cost tending towards zero.
Of course ‘free’ / ‘zero’ catches attention but the point re: crypto is that energy probably isn’t anything to worry too much about long-term. (i.e. plus or minus 20 years).
Politics / MAGA-techno-illiteracy / greybeard-ism stands in the way before that, of course. 😉
Agree with others that except in absurd / AI booster-ish scenarios we don’t need to worry for now about energy heating up the earth.
From memory (so definitely check if quoting onwards!) all annual human energy use is equivalent to the energy that falls on the Earth in an hour, or something bonkers like that. 🙂
This is my great hope re: desalination too, btw.
Caveat: not an expert, just plucking from my mental models as currently stand based on reading and investing etc. 🙂
> with fusion the Deus ex Machina that makes ‘near free’ energy even more trivial.
Not sure if this is referring to light from the sun (where fusion is indeed free to us) captured by renewables, or in fact fossil fuels too. But one thing that always puzzles me greatly (and I am a physicist by training) are claims often made that fusion reactors will be be able to provide “unlimited” or “near free” energy. A machine that is so complicated and complex that despite 70 years of research we haven’t even come close to building one, has no obvious path to miniaturisation, and that in all likelihood requires a fuel that does not even exist naturally on Earth, may be many things, but “limitless” and “near-free” are probably not the most likely adjectives that come to mind.
> greybeard-ism stands in the way before that, of course.
haha I am that greybeard, but I stand corrected. Terran heat death is not the problem with, ahem power too cheap to meter.
I am still unconvinced that power will be too cheap to meter, but we’ll get to find out in due course, the market will let us know one way or the other.
As someone said recently energy from coal is free. The coal is just lying about; all you have to do is pick it up or dig it out. And gas; all you have to do is drill a hole.
@dearieme — I take the point, very droll. 😉 But the general direction of travel for energy is pretty clear IMHO.
I wouldn’t die on the hill of ‘free’ — or even very *very* cheap — but I do think energy costs aren’t going to be a top 10 problem for mankind going forward. Which is good because we’ve got plenty of others :-/
Skeptics might perhaps consider the huge percentage of market valuations given to energy companies even 20 years ago compared to their relatively paltry weighting now.
Remember, we were meant to be deep into the gathering darkness of Peak Oil by this point. By contrast, we’ve got oil coming out of our ears, the POO is low, and even mighty Exxon only just scrapes into the S&P 500’s top 20.
Of course things can change — I certainly didn’t have ‘Republicans become economically illiterate and sabotage their own country’s move to renewables even as they destroy climate data’ on my bingo card a decade ago — but this is how I see things currently.
Re: @WhiteSheep’s comments, I’m certainly no fusion expert, if anything closer to a nuclear dunce, I am only going on what I read from alleged experts in such. 🙂 And of course I agree with @ermine that we should believe it when we see it — and in the shape of a power station not a lab trick. 😉
@TI #25: “consider the huge percentage of market valuations given to energy companies even 20 years ago compared to their relatively paltry weighting now”: A Reddit post from Feb 21 last year states Nvidia’s trailing twelve-month trailing earnings at the time were $19 billion, compared to the energy sector’s TTM net income of $145 billion—making Nvidia’s profits approximately 13.1% of the energy sector’s. This was framed in the context of their market capitalisations being roughly comparable around that period (with supporting articles from early Feb 24 noting Nvidia’s market cap was only about $100 billion higher than the entire S&P 500 energy sector).
https://www.reddit.com/r/NVDA_Stock/s/sl3NvRkMCi
Something’s up. You can get 19% yields on Columbian EcoPetrol and 13% on Brazilian Petrobas on 5 to 6 x GAAP 12 months trailing P/E ratios, or you can pay up 600-700x trailing P/E for AI bespoke software darling Palantir (which I’ve owned since last year and is up several hundred percent).
On any conventional view it’s insanity squared. But so was BTC, and look what happened?
I think the trick now is to avoid the middle, the average and the normal – It’s extremely cheap value plays, either by sector (like energy, especially legacy hydrocarbon EM producers), or by size cohort (SCV and even smaller deep value plays) – where you can get paid handsomely with divis just for turning up (so no price catalyst needed); or it’s the full bonkers territory, mad high valuations, picks and shovels AI plays in chips, data centres and software.
It’s a bit like casting your mind back to school.
Of 2,000 pupils take the top 1% and the bottom 10% of performers.
In future life, of the top 20, a disproportionate number will have managed great things. All as expected.
But, of the bottom 200, there’s also some later life super achievers in there too, and unexpected so because, paradoxically, being s**t academically meant that a few of them managed to get seriously entrepreneurial, weaponise that chip on their shoulder, and show the grit to beat the odds.
For the middle 1780 (89%) of students though, not so much.
They went on to lead – to one degree or another – regular boring schmuck lives from skilled manual to PMC.
Same with companies now.
Bessembinder’s winners aren’t going to be found in the modestly achieving, modesty priced but ultimately disappointing fat middle cohort.
They’ll be in the disruptors and the transformers or the unloved and left for dead but still highly profitable deep value legacy plays (e.g. Philip Morris is the best performing company for investors since 1925, up 2.75 mn x in a century in nominal terms with dividends reinvested, that’s 16.3% p.a. for 100 years. Yet the product is hated, is a health hazard to the extent that it kills its own consumers, has faced existential litigation and regulatory restriction, and is wholly uninnovative and undifferentiated).
The risk from picks and shovels AI plays is being too early to the party. As the Chinese proverb goes, the first bird to fly is the one that gets shot.
Massive over build out followed by disappointing early LLM offerings could follow the pattern in TMT with fibre optic over deployment where the build out (with cable data transmission capacity doubling every 100 days from 1994 to 2000 for a million fold capacity improvement) was then inevitably followed by the mother of all crashes between 2000 and 2002.
Mbps prices are now down from hundreds of dollars to a fraction of a dollar (i.e. 99.9% down), which on the back of massively slowed growth in data transmission, has seen telecom revenue halve since 2000 ($235 bn to $118 bn), and even more reduced in real terms (see also here my MV post earlier today on the weekend reading first they came for the call centres thread).
But it was off of this cheap, seemingly limitless, supply of fibre that YouTube was able to launch at initial data transmission costs of just $500k per month (and not an otherwise bankrupting $500 mn per month).
Limitless and inexpensive Machine Learning may similarly create new sectors for the economy which are currently not commercially viable.
But the beneficiaries – and investment opportunity – may not yet exist.
@Delta Hedge #26 > I think the trick now is to avoid the middle, the average and the normal
Très Gen Z of you, though I think you’re not a native. That Lars fellow with is single world tracker eg VWRL needs to shape up or ship out, eh, by definition that’s the middle, average and normal 😉
I’m not averse to the underlying principle of Naseem Taleb’s barbell strategy, but I would put it to you that ‘it’s all different now’ has been the road to perdition far more often that not. I thought I’d dabble in that space, so far I am sucking lemons
@ermine #27: “not a native”: yeah. Gen X rules. Nothing against Millennials, Z and Alphas mind, but so much of what’s wrong now is down to Boomers. 1988 may have been 1967 Mrk 2, but that earlier generation have really lost the plot. From Bob Dylan to Nigel Farage. Explain that one to me!
On the Big Bubble, it’s not going to be much different in the broad shape, although the precise details obviously vary from one speculative mania to the next.
But the bigger mistake is to see only the Bubble and not also the profound change.
Tech is always hugely overestimated in its short term impact and always massively underestimated in the long term effects.
It wasn’t until 2012/13 or so that the natural monopoly and cash machine characteristics of current internet Big Tech really became apparent, even though some of these businesses had been around from the mid to late 1990s.
And, yes, for every Amazon there were many Pets.coms, but even the idea behind Pets.com eventually had its day (i.e. Chewy).
Although, on a personality level, Taleb seems to me a colossal pretentious p***, one must never ignore the message just because of the messenger.
The world really does look to me a lot more like his Extremistan than it does his Mediocristan.
And Lars’ VWRL approach works here not because it’s a Mediocristanic embrace, but rather, and contrastingly, because it’s a bid at ensuring entry to Extremistan.
If you own everything by definition you will own Bessembinder’s winners somewhere in there, amongst all the mediocre c**p.
But the Barbell is a purer and, IMHO, more rewarding (per unit of risk and on CAGR) approach to winner capture. Eliminate the space where winners are least likely to be found. Stock up on risk off (precious metals, HQ gov bonds etc) to offset the increased volatility and return dispersion on the remaining (more concentrated) equity sleeve. And then pray for the best and hang in for the long haul.
I always circle back in my mind to those findings from Bessembinder’s two studies: (of 26,000 US & 62,000 Global companies continuously listed from 1926 and 1990): all excess returns (over T-Bills) from 2.5-4% of companies, 75% of excess returns from 0.5% of companies, 50% of excess returns from 0.25-0.3% and 25% from just 0.1% (equating to just 50-100 companies worldwide today, out of 60,000-100,000 listed).
In the next 30 or 40 years there are going to be some 1,000+ baggers coming out of ‘AI’, whatever that may mean IRL.
@DH #28 > 2012/13 or so that the natural monopoly and cash machine characteristics of current internet Big Tech really became apparent
I’m not sure that it was latent and only showed then. I think the smartphone and always on data were key enablers for that pestilence, though social media rolled the lawn a bit
> The world really does look more a lot more like his Extremistan than it does Mediocristan.
Yeah. Did too in 1999. There be a cautionary tale, as you said, it’s hardly as if t’internet didn’t change anything. It’s just that the spoils of war didn’t accrue to the darlings of the time, who played a bum note 2000-2005. I venture this is the issue with
> And then pray for the best and hang in for the long haul.
For example let us presume we are analogous to 1998/99 in dotcom boom years, you wouldn’t have captured FBK/META because it only started in 2004, TSLA in 2003
I searched chewy and wish I hadn’t
OMFG pass the sick bucket!
All agreed. The big Q now is “what time is it”? Is it 1994/5, with years (and hundreds of percent) of melt up to come, or 1998/9, almost at the precipice? Fortunes will be made or lost on getting that call right or wrong.
My memory fails me. Senior moments. The Bessembinder study #2 stats are: $76 trillion shareholder wealth created by 63,785 firms from 1990 to 2020: The top 5 firms (0.008%) accounted for 10.3%: The top 159 firms (0.25%) accounted for 50%: The top 1,526 firms (2.39%) accounted for 100%: The other 62,259 firms collectively matched US Treasury Bills: 25,441 (39.9%) companies did generate (modest) positive wealth which just offset the wealth destruction of 36,818 (57.7%) companies. So way more concentrated still at the top end. Pareto rules bigly as the Donald would say.
Would it not be more useful to consider returns by capitalisation, as that’s usually what indexes are weighted by? The 57.7% of companies burning cash are probably in the long tail. F’rinstance the first 23 listings of the SPX are over 50% of capitalisation, you’re probably in the long grass after 50, so 450 constituents aren’t terribly relevant.
If you’re stockpicking, sure the numbers tell you something about the odds, although even then you’re probably not drifting that far down the long tail.
@DH 31
And that is why indexing works – it automatically puts you in the winners and sells the losers.
@ermine #32 & @Indexing, you say? #33: both your points agreed. There are different ways of thinking about the same data though.
– I’m overwhelmingly in cap weight global index trackers (although I’ve very recently switched en masse to the slightly more spicy WGEC ETFz which gives some synthetic global government bond exposure overlaying the global cap weight equities). I’ve got no problem with indexation per se. It is a very low cost and very practical solution. And a very good one at that. But it’s not the one and the only solution. And it should never become dogma.
– On absolute numbers v cap weight, the latter definitely would be better for an apples to apples comparison with index trackers. All agreed there. But that’s just the data Bessembinder had access to, and uses, and, tbf to him, the point which he’s making is not an anti indexing one, but rather to avoid typical performance individual shares because the typical (median) share performance actually loses you money, even though the equity market as a whole goes up in the long term, and by a lot – e.g.: US large cap stocks: ~+9.94% annual returns (1928–2024) and US Small caps: ~+11.74% p.a. (versus Gold: ~5.12% p.a., US Bonds: ~4.5% p.a, US Real estate: ~4.23% p.a.)
– The obvious shortcoming of being always 100% in passive cap weight index trackers, and nawt else ever, is that all the returns above and beyond the meagre ones from just holding short term government bonds (US T Bills to be exact) given by holding the many thousands of shares passively tracked by the ETF are actually coming from just a teeny tiny subset of the holdings, just 2.4% since 1990. The majority of the tracked shares subtract from the performance of just holding cash, actually in effect destroying wealth. That’s of course the necessary price of ensuring that, by covering every single share in the index, you capture the returns of the 2.4% who generate all the returns. But it’s very diluting. You hold the many duds to ensure that you get a tiny stake in each of the many winners.
– In contrast, if you go 90% passive cap weight index tracker and even just 10% into trying to select just one of the outsized winners what’s then the worst outcome? Mathematically, even in the unlikely eventuality that every single one of your active picks is a disaster and goes to zero, you still end up with 90% of what you would have had had you been all in (always) on indexing. 90% and 100% are, FAPP, virtually identical in terms of lived outcomes (will having £900k really make a difference to you compared to £1 mn?) But if say you start with £1 mn, put £900k into index trackers and then give it your best shot putting £5k each into 20 chances at selecting just one of Bessembinder’s super winners (the top 5) the results can be completely transformative. Nvidia’s up close to 5,000x since IPO in January 1999 and Indian tech behemoth Infosys’ total 30 year return with dividends reinvested is up over 10,000x. Bearing in mind the limited downside of a 10% allocation to a Pareto punt on picking the winners, and the hugely asymmetric payout if you manage to just get one of them amongst your (say) 20 best shots; it seems to me to be an alternative worth considering if your time horizon is long enough.
Typo rectification with apol’s – should read “tiny stake in each of the few outsized winners” (not “many winners”, as appears), and also no z after WGEC ETF.
> Bearing in mind the limited downside of a 10% allocation to a Pareto punt on picking the winners
Although it’s not that high I have some element of this. You have the advantage of actually believing in the AI/tech dream, I have to make myself buy this tech/AI garbage both with the feeling it’s 1999 and the feeling it’ll fall to half. But hey, sometimes you have to buy what you hate.
I don’t do individual stocks in that area. Not interested enough to try and take an opinion 😉
I wouldn’t say I actually “believe” in this one (AI mania) but….
You have to consider the risks of *not* being exposed to the opportunity.
Given arguably high starting valuations, and bullish sentiment, my plan is to follow the Rebound Capital approach for the market leader at each tier of the stack from semis, through data centre support (power, cooling), cloud, high moat software / security, and physical insatiation (FSD/robotics), and to only commit to the shortlist (25 stocks, each from 1% to 8% of portfolio capital, dependent on conviction etc, and totalling a planned 60% of portfolio overall) if and when any of them are down 70% from ATH.
So, basically, I’m praying for a crash. If/then I’ll load up. Back to the future and bring on 2002! 😉
In the meantime, I’m using WGEC ETF to stay invested in broadly diversified large cap global equities (which within the ETF comprise 90% by capital used, but with a ‘capital efficient’ 60% equivalent exposure to global gov bonds generated via rolling futures). This is supplemented by a SCV sleeve.
Against all my instincts (as I’m no gold bug or commodity cheerleader to be sure), I also have some small exposures now to gold, gold miners, silver miners, and to both broad commodities and to some deep value EM commodity plays.
Again, against instinct (will it work?), I’ve also broadened out a bit with a little bit of Trend Following and for, playing volatility, both a small bit of BHMG and a little of Plus 500.
My hope is that if I draw down 20% across the portfolio then, give or take, the S&P 500 will be down 30%, the S&P 100 by 40%, the Nasdaq 100 by 50% and my preferred target stocks in the AI theme tech stack by 70%.
I also intend to try and utilise NAV discounts in tech ITs as, for example, I can build up the planned Nvidia and MSFT exposure through Manchester & London IT (‘MLT’ which has 39% and 23% of trust in each respectively).
If Nvidia falls 70% then MLT should see its discount explode from 14% or so now to way more.
If there’s a crash, I can then rotate from WGEC into my chosen target stocks at relatively more attractive prices.
Anyway, that’s the plan.
Intriguing philosophy. Arguably overthought, but I share that pathology, some of the win I have got over the last few years is learning to rack that back 😉
I’d expect the high risk end of the barbell to be largely burned in the forthcoming AI crash, but we’re always looking for the next big thing. Ageing populations wanting to live for ever, the search for the elixir of eternal youth is as old as mankind, how do you feel about biotech? This seems to be a sort of bubbling-under Next Big Thing amongst to sort of folk who think that more complex technological solutions are A Good Thing. Capitalism makes its way forward by selling empty dreams to its marks, arguably the whole FI/RE thing seems to be a process of learning to detach yourself from the narrative ‘this great thing will revolutionise your life/society/whatever’. After all, protein folding which has a direct input into biotech is one of the few proven successes of AI being vastly better, and it has potential in so diagnostic things on scans. I’ve already been pasted in one biotech index thing a few years ago, that was clearly too early, but I am tempted to leaven the AI/tech end of the barbell which I totally don’t believe in with some of this sort of long shot.
@Rhino – I’ve been doing Thriva for several years and find it useful to track my cholesterol (and my history, which is all available for me to view). It’s helpful in that, if necessary, I can make lifestyle changes to improve. Agree with @TI that it’s important not to get obsessed but it’s good to know/have an idea.
@ermine #38: US healthcare and biotech in epic drawdowns. The worst for former since 1993. More broadly, pharma ain’t looking great.
I’ve done a pitifully sized dabble into UnitedHealth and Novo Nordisk in the ‘just for fun’ T212 account.
Maybe it gets worse, but the amounts I’m punting on these 2 is so small that IJDC 😉
The biggest regret will be if it actually pans out – like Palantir did, at least until about 48 hours ago 😉 – and then you wish you’d put in 10x more.
But when the starting position is well below 1% of the portfolio (as with UH and Novo for me) then there’s next to no loss to feel any aversion from if it all screws up.
For LLMs, it looks like mundane utility. Even mundane utility could make money eventually, but I’ll play safe and wait for a crash before committing to picks and shovels at scale. There’s at most $35bn AI ‘badged’ revenues this year (including creative accounting with the $10bn OpenAI Azure MSFT cloud credit as revenue), for $550bn projected 2025 Big Tech Capex, now equalling that of the Oil and Gas sector.
Bonkers. Best to wait out for a better entry and to stay in broad index trackers until then.
The risk of going in too early is not so much getting burned because it turns out it’s 1999 – as you can DCA in to mitigate that one in £impact terms – but the losses being so extreme %wise that they then put you off backing up the truck on a 80% fall, like by 2002 with the Nasdaq.
As they say, a 90% drawdown is just a crash of 80% followed by another 50% down just after you took the plunge.
> US healthcare and biotech in epic drawdowns.
isn’t that the point though 😉 There’s probably a fair old Covid hangover
> a 90% drawdown is just a crash of 80% followed by another 50% down just after you took the plunge.
Is fair comment. Even in the risk end of the barbell you want to stage in. I don’t really believe in biotech either, but I find it less far-fetched than AI.
@ermine: “far fetched than AI”: far fetched but, at the same time, real in a peculiarly non-meatspace way, just like Case jacked into his cyberspace ‘deck’.
Just read and much appreciated your superb “The great AI bubble – I’m a believer” on SLIS. Excellent stuff.
Notwithstanding that @Curlew on the next thread considers discussions of arguably the greatest concern of this era (maybe a misplaced one, but no less prevalent if it is such) to be “life-draining bilge”; and in the hope that not everyone shares his sentiment to put their head in the sand, their fingers in their ears and their hands over their eyes concerning the impact of the reality of the largest Capex boom since the railways in the 1840s (leaving aside here the direct impacts of and wider significance to the underlying technology itself); I’ve dropped in a few thoughts on the ‘is this actually 1998/99?’ question into the ‘First they came for the Call Centres’ thread.
If it is 1998/99 already, then that MIT report this week saying that 95% of companies surveyed report basically 0% RoI from LLMs might be something akin to a latter-day version of the 20 March 2000 Barron’s cover article by Jack Willoughby (“Burning Up, Internet companies are running out of cash – fast”) which (either coincidentally or not) turned out to mark the absolute peak of the Nasdaq right through until May 2015.
The Telegraph seems to think as much:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/20/ai-report-triggering-panic-and-fear-on-wall-street/
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