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Learning together: 25 years of a family investment club

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I hadn’t heard of an ongoing investment club for many years before a long-time Monevator reader – and member of the Patrick Investment Club – dropped me a line. Such clubs were common 20-30 years ago. And as David Patrick’s guest article below shows, they filled a niche that today’s more impersonal and often abrasive social investing options hardly replace…

For more than 25 years my extended family has been pooling monthly subscriptions of at least £50 into the Patrick Investment Club.

This club has had a profound impact in helping us learn about investing. It has also helped bring us together as a family.

Such is the interest, these days we’re more likely to all meet for the Club’s AGM than for Christmas lunch!

Clubbing together

The Patrick Investment Club was established in 1998 by six family members. My three brothers and I – then in our 20s – and our parents in their late-50s.

The club has since doubled in size and now spans three generations.

We spent our early years pouring over library copies of the Financial Times and Investor’s Chronicle trying to understand company valuations. We felt oddly confident back then that we could identify companies destined to be the ‘movers and shakers’ of the future.

Sadly none of us identified any of the FAANGS, though we did have one multibagger success in Imagination Technologies.

There were a few dogs, too. One, Island Oil and Gas, disappeared beneath the seas – along with our shareholding.

These days – and with total assets in the low six-figures – we’re a little more cautious. Some 70% of assets are held in a global equity tracker and 30% in three sector ETFs.

Why start an investment club?

Back in the day our investment club, like many others, was set up to invest in companies and help us learn about investing.

At our inaugural meeting we adopted a constitution to govern how we operate.

We also opened a club bank account with Barclays and of course an investment trading account – currently with Hargreaves Lansdown.

One golden rule that has persisted in guiding all our investments was inspired by our pacifist teetotal mother: absolutely “no guns, no booze, no porn”.

So we apply an ethical SRI screen, though we don’t take too close a look at exactly what we hold within our funds.

The price of entry

Family members invest at least £50 each month. Some invest up to £200.

Monthly investments are automated and free through our investment platform.

The club is run with a light touch by the three officers: Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer. These roles have rotated over the years between family members with one – this writer – having been an officer for the whole period.

The club’s investment strategy is reviewed at each AGM. We offer each other commiserations on our under-performers and congratulatory back-slapping when we occasionally outperform our global benchmark.

Monthly statements set out the current value of members’ holdings, subs received and any withdrawals, along with the change over the last one, six and 12 months.

Holdings are unitised to take account of subs and ad hoc withdrawals. Brief commentaries are included, noting how the club’s performance compares to the MSCI World index.

A more virtual investment club

Other than at the AGM, engagement from members is low – though any miscalculations are quickly spotted.

Given the number of members involved and their locations – spread across Glasgow, Nottingham, and rural Wales – the AGM these days is usually a hybrid of face-to-face and video-conferencing.

In the early years the AGM was always in person. It was usually followed by a meal out or other social activity, too. One year we felt sufficiently flush to hire a barge for the afternoon.

Accounting activity

The absence of any tax benefits for investment clubs means that any dividend and interest income, however small, needs to be notified to members each April for inclusion in their tax returns.

Members have largely adopted a buy-and-hold strategy. Capital withdrawals are infrequent. There’s perhaps two or three a year among the 12 members. Typically these have been to pay an unexpected tax bill, fund a cruise, or contribute to a deposit for a new home.

In the early years a hardship fund was established to gift or loan members money during more challenging times. For instance, funds were occasionally requested to help tide a member over between jobs or to fund vocational retraining.

Fortunately such support has not been called on recently.

The evolution of an investment club

Reflecting back over the last 25 years, the club’s investing style has evolved through three phases.

We moved from investing in individual equities to focus on actively managed funds, and then to our current approach of investing in global passive ETFs – with a slant towards particular sectors that we feel will outperform.

For the first 15 years until 2013 the club was invested in individual equities. These included M&S, Tesco, WPP, Severn Trent and St James Place – as well as the dog and multi-bagger mentioned earlier.

The second phase began after a friendly financial advisor reviewed our portfolio and recommended a shift into actively managed funds and bonds.

Over the next six years we built modest holdings in, among others: F&C Corp & Ethical bonds, First State Global Property, Henderson Global Care, Impax Environmental Markets, Kames Ethical Fund, First State China Growth, Henderson European, Neptune US opportunities, Old Mutual UK Small Companies, and Aberforth UK Smaller Companies Fund.

These choices often mirrored personal holdings of club members, such as the nod towards China and environmental funds.

Lessons learned

In retrospect we had far too many holdings. However we learnt how funds worked, their charging structures, and how bonds were priced. We also began to better understand our own attitude to risk. We even offered members a choice between contrasting portfolios for a few years.

In 2019 we embraced another major shift – this time towards passive investing in a single portfolio. This was partly down to members’ own personal portfolios taking on more of a passive slant and partly due to the influence of Monevator.

Active funds were sold and we increasingly concentrated on just one passive global equity SRI ETF held with iShares.

Additionally one of our younger members had begun a career in wealth management. They put forward a persuasive case to slant our portfolio towards clean energy, automation and robotics, and global healthcare.

We duly invested 10% of our total assets in each of three passive ETFs – one per sector. Annual rebalancing happens in the spring, usually after the AGM.

Three years in and our sector bets combined have made us a loss, though Automation & Robotics helped to minimise this with a stellar 38% return last year. With our AGM looming we’ll soon debate whether to stick to these sectors or switch elsewhere.

Many happy returns

The club’s annualised growth over 25 years is 9.5%. This means £100 invested at start in 1998 would now be worth £338.

By comparison over the last 20 years the MSCI World index has risen by an annualised 11.9%.

Reflecting on the last 25 years, family members have seen a huge educational benefit from belonging to the club. We’ve learnt about the mechanics of investing, how different asset classes perform, and the risks associated with those assets.

With a larger membership including two juniors giving a greater spread of ages, we’ve increasingly had to reflect on the effect of differing time horizons on our investing style.

Risk appetites also differ between us. Members view their club holding as one modest part of their overall wealth. If they feel uncomfortable being 100% in equities, they can balance this with personal holdings in less risky assets.

There is always a lively debate at the AGM on our investing style. Some members argue that we don’t have an edge in spotting out-performers and therefore need to embrace low-cost passive investing.

Others espouse a broader approach. They argue for the club to speculate with a greater variety of assets including specific companies, currencies, and commodities, to provide us with hard-won skin-in-the-game experience.

Currently the wind blows in favour of a largely passive approach.

Perks for members

The Patrick Investment Club has had an interesting impact on family relationships. We learn from each other regardless of age and life experience!

Several of us have gone on to manage our own ISA and SIPP portfolios. And as mentioned above, one younger member is even pursuing a career in wealth management – having been inspired by the club.

The club has also helped with family cohesion. Often the only time we all meet – virtually or in person – is at the AGM.

The democratic nature of the club – one member, one vote – is sometimes challenging for those with larger holdings.

Overall our investing club has had a hugely positive impact on the family. Having already embraced several younger members, it’s likely to continue going for another 25 years.

Thanks to David for his engaging story. And my congratulations to his family for being so wholesome – I suspect organs would be lost in any such bartering among my own tribe. But what about you? Have you ever been a member of an investment club? Would it work with your family or friends? For me a major drawback would be the lack of a shared tax-efficient wrapper. Let us know what you think in the comments below…

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  • 1 Kerry Balenthiran April 18, 2024, 10:16 am

    Thanks for a great article David. It seems like a fun way for the whole family to learn about the benefits of investing. It also appears that you have a great family who are able to come together and make joint decisions.

  • 2 xxd09 April 18, 2024, 10:34 am

    Great idea -well done
    You can never have too much financial info
    This also seems to be a good way to interest the young
    xxd09

  • 3 weenie April 18, 2024, 12:08 pm

    What a great family club, David – thanks for sharing.

    I remember reading about investment clubs back in the 90s and recall one time witnessing such a little club having their meeting in the pub (I overheard snippets of their conversation!). Investment clubs intrigued me but I didn’t have the spare cash to invest back then and whilst we are ‘fair’ in our family, the discussions would have gotten far too heated and likely strained relations, so starting a family one would have been a no-no for us! But what a fantastic way to get younger family members involved in investing for their future – well done!

  • 4 JDW April 18, 2024, 12:43 pm

    Brilliant idea and good reading. Wish my family had had the same idea a few decades ago.

    Interested to note it engaged one member career choice, great stuff – interested also to see an all world tracker would have performed better than their suggestions in the theme ETFs mentioned as part of the wider portfolio.

    I can’t imagine my family sitting down for an AGM, put it that way! 🙂

  • 5 AfroLatino April 18, 2024, 2:16 pm

    I really enjoyed reading this. I must say, kudos to your family for doing this. Thanks for sharing!

  • 6 Al Cam April 18, 2024, 2:18 pm

    Occasionally I read something and I think to myself – that’s just smart! This post is one of those occasions. IMO the performance vs MSCI whilst interesting comes way down the list compared to the numerous additional benefits – most of which are all but unteachable and, even worse, rarely (if ever) learned until it is too late in normal day-to-day family life. Bravo!

  • 7 Wodger April 18, 2024, 3:21 pm

    I only invest using index funds, but it strikes me that a social investing club would be more fun the more active it was. Taken to the extreme, maybe an angel investing club would be the most fun, perhaps even focused on local businesses? (As long as you’re not Marge Simpson, obviously.)

  • 8 Delta Hedge April 18, 2024, 3:22 pm

    Thank you for sharing David. Excellent piece. The benefits of gaining new and different insights, of exchanging views, of pooling resources and knowledge, and of enjoying social contact via investment clubs shines through. Looking back to 1998 it was a different world. The platforms played second fiddle to the local stock broker. Index funds and ETFs were a rarity (the first UK tracker only launched in 1995). Most of the information about investing came from within the money pages of the broadsheets, rather than from the then still nascent internet. Actively managed unit trusts ruled the roost. We’ve all come a long way since then.

  • 9 Bellabeck April 18, 2024, 3:43 pm

    Super article, thanks for sharing this. I would have enjoyed an investment club experience and for the learning arc along the way. Most people are shy about discussing ‘money’ and perhaps are reluctant to share information about their personal finances. Anyway thanks largely to Monevator and Tim Hale’s book Smarter Investing I was able to follow my own investing journey. I also started Sipps and ISA’s for both my sons and now in their thirties we pool ideas etc. I think they genuinely appreciate that an ISA is the closest you get to a free lunch!

  • 10 old_eyes April 18, 2024, 4:13 pm

    Thanks for telling your story David. A family based investing club sounds like a great idea for all sorts of reasons. It is intrinsically multi-generational, and we don’t spend enough time teaching and learning from other generations. It is great when the ‘wisdom’ we have accumulated runs into the lived reality of another generation. Nothing ever maps precisely, and we have to confront our prejudices and assumptions.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next AGM. Perhaps you could do a companion piece on how you all pulled the different strands into a plan?

  • 11 dearieme April 18, 2024, 5:13 pm

    I don’t know how many families could pull this trick off as amicably as Patrick’s, but well done them!

    All practical designs need slack in them. Here is that slack: “If they feel uncomfortable being 100% in equities, they can balance this with personal holdings in less risky assets”.

  • 12 TheCoinMountain April 18, 2024, 6:35 pm

    Great article and great idea, thank you for sharing. I’m enticed to explore this with the family, even though finance/investing is far from a passion for much family members.

  • 13 Windinthefens April 19, 2024, 8:49 am

    Sounds like a brilliant idea David! Mind you know Monevator is influencing you when your Investment Club uses index funds!
    Windy

  • 14 a April 19, 2024, 10:51 am

    Well done to the club!!! Truly inspiring to hear how knowledge and interest span across generations!

  • 15 Finumus April 19, 2024, 2:22 pm

    Nice article. Thanks.

    Can I ask some boring logistics questions? How do you do the accounting / brokerage / tax stuff? Like… which platform do you use? How does KYC work? (I’d like to “open a joint investment account for 12 people please?”). How do you manage everyone’s differing CGT requirements? Like person A needs losses this year, person B has allowance capacity. If the “club” realises a profit, A’s going to be unhappy and B’s happy. etc….

  • 16 Frensic April 19, 2024, 5:50 pm

    It’s funny how your investment experiences have mirrored my own; I primarily got into investing in the mid-90s after starting an investment club with a number of colleagues (we all worked for a trust company of a high street bank). Back then it was all about stock picking and I have vague recollections of us doing well with Tate & Lyle and in particular Domino’s Pizza! Over the years as you come to realise you can only really control fees and asset allocation and the importance of diversification, I gradually moved into an actively managed funded approach and as the years have gone by, one by one these have increasingly been replaced by index trackers. I still work in investments and still find it amusing how clients are taken in by discretionary fund managers all promising to do better than their counterparts when the vast majority would do better buying a world equity tracker or entrusting it to one of the Vanguard LifeStrategy funds or similar! You live and learn as they say.

  • 17 David Patrick April 19, 2024, 7:28 pm

    @Kerry Balenthiran
    Thank you Kerry. In truth 2 or 3 us of make the recommendations and other family members trust us!

    @xxdo9
    Thank you for your kind words. I’ve been admiring your simple approach to drawdown here and on other platforms.

    @weenie
    Thanks for your kind words. A club of 12 members aged 17 to 84 with very different understanding of finance makes us explain concepts such as active & passive investing simply & clearly. If we all don’t understand it we don’t invest!

    @JDW
    Yes, my son is now a portfolio manager thanks in part to the club. Agreeing to disagree in an agreeable way is often a challenge for us!

    @AfroLatino
    Thank you. I’ve passed your message on to the family.

    @Al Cam
    Thank you for your supportive message!

    @7Wodger
    You’re right! The dilema is reconciling the fun associated with active investing with my opinion that passive investing is often dull yet wins out in the long term!

    @Delta Hedge
    You’re right – it’s so much easier to get started and get access to the right info and the right funds than it was in the 90s….

    @9Bellabeck
    Agree. We’ve learn’t so much from Monevator and Tim Hale among others…

    @old_eyes
    Wise words. Thank you. Our AGM this week was a little fractious thanks to a heated debate on whether to invest in Bitcoin. Sense prevailed and the answer was ‘no!’

    @dearieme
    Thank you!

    @TheCoinMountain
    Make it easy for them and if you’re feeling flush offer to guarantee no losses in the first year (as I did with one new junior member)!

    @Windinthefens
    Thank you. You’re absolutely right!

    @a
    Many thanks!

    @Finumus
    Your answers are:
    – a rather complicated spreadsheet
    – tax is the members’ responsibility. We send out an annual statement showing interest and dividends
    – brokers require all club members to sign a wordy declaration
    – CGT is down to each member. Holdings are held collectively in a single club portfolio. All gain or all lose…

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