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Weekend Reading: We need a list of which bank uses which cloud provider

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What caught my eye this week.

Unlike some vocal Monevator readers, I’m nearly all-in on the cashless society.

I even have a long-running email thread with a few sceptical and long-suffering friends, where I goad them with statistics about cashless shops and restaurants, and stories about homeless people taking donations via their own QR codes.

They post counterpoints, of course. Usually something about how Great Aunt Beryl can’t use a smartphone. Or how making all payments digital will only enable the surveillance state.

That’s fair. There surely are still too many Aunt Beryls around for us to go fully cashless. And though there’s nothing much I can do about it, our privacy protections are too feeble for me to be completely comfortable with the paperless spending trails our taps and swipes leave behind us. Even if “you only need to worry if you’re doing something wrong” as the complacent always say.

Okay, but what if my wrong is my own (romantic) affair or – more sympathetically – an escape fund that I’m amassing to get away from an abusive and controlling partner, rather than a matter of public safety?

I believe there are ways around these concerns, both technological and legislative. Whether we’ll see them is another matter.

But in any event I’m not sure what we can do about Amazon going down.

Unable to connect

Yes, the vulnerability that hogged the limelight this week when the hyper-scaler’s AWS cloud service went offline was a dry run of another of my pals’ concerns.

Their Doomsday version includes EMP weapons in space that knock out the payments rails, alongside anything else with an electronic pulse. For my part I contend we’d have other problems in such a scenario that a wallet with a few tenners wouldn’t solve. Not least the tills not working!

But putting that debate to one side, according to Which:

A service outage at Amazon Web Services (AWS) […] caused widespread disruption, taking down millions of major apps and websites – including HMRC, Snapchat and Duolingo.

As the world’s largest cloud computing provider, AWS underpins many online platforms through its storage and database services.

The issue has also affected some of the UK’s biggest banks under the Lloyds Banking Group umbrella, leaving many customers unable to access mobile or online banking.

You can add Royal Bank of Scotland to the list too, according to This Is Money.

Customers of the affected banks were unable to access their apps – although I presume physical credit cards continued to work.

But then I no longer even take a credit card out of the house except on special occasions, let alone cash.

Well over 95% of my spending is done via my Apple Watch. That includes just getting around the Tube (which still feels like magic).

But I admit this week’s outage gave my cashless evangelism pause.

Restore from backup

The immediate fix is to have more than one bank account – with the second bank being one that works with a different cloud provider.

From This Is Money:

The main way to protect yourself if your bank goes down in an outage is to have a second bank account with access to online banking.

Though Lloyds and the banks across its brand were down, other banks for example First Direct, Monzo, Starling and Chase were not affected.

You don’t need to keep a huge balance in it but it should have enough to cover you if you need to go to the shop and for essentials.

This is good advice, similar to why I suggest spreading your assets between different platforms in case of failure, even if you expect to ultimately be made whole again through regulatory protections.

That’s because there’s a hassle factor if all your investments are inaccessible in the meantime. Hence redundancy protects you from more than just loss.

Same with spending money, if all your money is only accessible via one bank for a time.

Registry not found

The snag: who knows which bank uses what cloud service?

Perhaps there should be a public cloud register, in the same way that we can consult a Bank of England registry to show which banks belong to the same group for FSCS purposes?

You could then pick one bank that works with Amazon, and another than runs off Google or Microsoft. (At least until they switch…)

I can’t find anything like that in existence. Just lots of stories about cloud providers winning bank business, as well as this ominous piece from a cloud trade publication from 2022:

Prudential Regulation Authority concerned over banks’ reliance on cloud

The Prudential Regulation Authority (PRA), responsible for regulating UK banks, credit unions, and insurers, plans to increase its scrutiny of major cloud computing providers.

Concerns stem from the growing reliance the banking sector has on the Big Three to maintain its systems and the threat an outage or hack could pose.

As a result, the PRA is looking into ways to access more data from Amazon, Microsoft, and Google, particularly in relation to the operation resilience of their services, the Financial Times reports.

In recent years, Amazon Web Services has struck deals with Barclays and HSBC. Meanwhile, Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud have both managed to partner with Lloyds Banking Group.

Whilst UK banks’ use of cloud computing is covered by the PRA, there are growing worries over the scale of disruption that multiple services failing in unison could cause.

Time to address those worries, I’d say. At the least with a public registry.

Of course there’s nothing in the laws of physics that says all the cloud providers can’t go down at the same time. So having two bank accounts isn’t failsafe.

Ironically, given my stance, I’ve always kept some cash hidden at home. Though that is more in case the credit card payment rails fell over for a bit – and also because some tradespeople will always prefer cash.

Sleep mode

These episodes mostly show us how reliant we are on the cloud as a society, given such services are dominated by just three companies – and hence how protections and failsafes must be a national affair as much as a personal one.

I mean, some people couldn’t even get to sleep due to the Amazon outage.

According to the Guardian:

Customers of Eight Sleep – a smart bed company that connects to the internet to control the temperature and incline of a person’s bed – found they were unable to adjust the bed or the temperature of the bed during the outage because they were unable to connect to the bed in their phone app.

That takes the old adage about having backups so you can sleep at night to another level!

Have a great weekend.

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  • 1 Azamino October 25, 2025, 12:19 pm

    For an example of what happens when internet access is totally lost you should read https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/sep/30/tonga-pacific-island-internet-underwater-cables-volcanic-eruption
    Cash remains my preference. I worked on ecash in the 1990s (Mondex and MultOS) and the discussions about privacy have stuck with me ever since.

  • 2 intgom October 25, 2025, 12:57 pm

    I was chatting with a tech lead at HSBC a while back, and he mentioned they load-balance payments systems across both Amazon (AWS) and Microsoft (Azure). It’s a belt-and-braces approach that makes simultaneous outages vanishingly unlikely, but it’s also eye-wateringly expensive. Many banks and other institutions, especially the smaller ones, simply won’t go that far so some cash under the mattress it is!

  • 3 Tyro October 25, 2025, 1:06 pm

    Reasons to reject the “you only need to worry if you’re doing something wrong” argument: you don’t know what in the future might be deemed ‘wrong’, nor who might be in a position to decide it.

  • 4 Invariant October 25, 2025, 1:09 pm

    I don’t think a registry would help. Banks (and Building Societies) run dozens of different independent systems. What you interested in? Apps, debit card payments, credit card payments, ATMs, telephone banking, branch systems, paper statements, online statements, credit checking…? I could go on. Any one of those might use any one (or more) of the cloud providers.

    The onus is on the banks to provide resilient services – especially for key capabilities – using whatever strategies are appropriate. Using cloud providers is generally a way to improve resilience, compared to trying to manage everything in house. But it does introduce concentration risk.

    I believe the regulators have been working with the banks for some time to address concerns in this space, but it’s extremely difficult to avoid single points of failure anywhere within a series of very complicated technology stacks.

  • 5 Frugalist October 25, 2025, 1:28 pm

    Invariant has hit the nail on the head, unfortunately.

    Even a question like “does this bank use AWS?” can be an incredibly difficult question to answer at a group level. Even if they don’t want to use a particular cloud provider, it doesn’t mean that someone hasn’t. Authorised vs unauthorised cloud is a massive debate and challenge on its own.

    The EU has been working on this via DORA, which at its core posits (quite correctly) that a bank is only as resilient as the cloud providers it uses. The UK has been making steps in this direction as well but IMO we are lagging behind somewhat.

    There’s a further challenge in that you need to have quite some clout to compel a provider like AWS / Azure / Google to open its doors and show a customer or regulator what’s going on behind the scenes.

  • 6 dearieme October 25, 2025, 1:42 pm

    “some tradespeople will always prefer cash.” Can’t think why.

    But how much cash? I wondered whether a decent guideline would be to keep cash about equal to the sum of the current balances on our credit cards (not our stoozing cards, just the cards we use for monthly expenditure). Would that be a bit excessive? It would approximate, I suppose, to about 56 days of such expenditure. Too high?

    Maybe, instead, the sum of our average monthly payments on those cards – so roughly half as much. Still sounds a bit high. Does anyone have advice to offer?

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