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		<title>By: Weekend Reading &#8211; &#8220;Umm, Dubai, We&#8217;ve Got a Problem&#8221; Edition &#124; Darwin's Finance</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/what-yield-government-bonds-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-16649</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Reading &#8211; &#8220;Umm, Dubai, We&#8217;ve Got a Problem&#8221; Edition &#124; Darwin's Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/6FJU0t&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;official and unofficial govt debt figures for various countries&lt;/a&gt; I was referring to above. God knows how you&#039;d calculate them (imagine trying to work out what the UK govt&#039;s potential PFI liabilities are for a start).  Japan begins to look positively virtuous and Spain is a model of propriety!

NB the unofficial figures are from 2005 i.e. &lt;b&gt;before&lt;/b&gt; some of the recent spending kicked in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the <a href="http://bit.ly/6FJU0t" rel="nofollow">official and unofficial govt debt figures for various countries</a> I was referring to above. God knows how you&#8217;d calculate them (imagine trying to work out what the UK govt&#8217;s potential PFI liabilities are for a start).  Japan begins to look positively virtuous and Spain is a model of propriety!</p>
<p>NB the unofficial figures are from 2005 i.e. <b>before</b> some of the recent spending kicked in!</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - Interesting article on this vein in today&#039;s FT by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86a7ca6a-d794-11de-b578-00144feabdc0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gillian Tett&lt;/a&gt;. She too mentions the currency debasement &gt; crisis &gt; inflation &gt; higher interest rate scenario with respect to government debt.

@Niklas - Thanks, yes, not very appealing at current inflation rates but well worth keeping in mind for the reasons you state. To be honest on the pure inflation view, I&#039;m happy with equities/commercial property at the moment. What I should probably do to reduce volatility a tad is hold more cash... I&#039;m too greedy at the moment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike &#8211; Interesting article on this vein in today&#8217;s FT by <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86a7ca6a-d794-11de-b578-00144feabdc0.html" rel="nofollow">Gillian Tett</a>. She too mentions the currency debasement &gt; crisis &gt; inflation &gt; higher interest rate scenario with respect to government debt.</p>
<p>@Niklas &#8211; Thanks, yes, not very appealing at current inflation rates but well worth keeping in mind for the reasons you state. To be honest on the pure inflation view, I&#8217;m happy with equities/commercial property at the moment. What I should probably do to reduce volatility a tad is hold more cash&#8230; I&#8217;m too greedy at the moment!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/what-yield-government-bonds-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-16060</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks FS - that&#039;s exactly what I needed in terms of a contrary view. I&#039;m still not sure about the output gap argument though vis a vis inflation (and I guess we&#039;re not the only ones debating this particular issue at the moment). 

Was it Mr Friedman who noted that &#039;inflation is everywhere a monetary phenomenon&#039; (I didn&#039;t think there was a codicil about output gaps)? i.e. there would be a lot of countries with high unemployment who have still had high inflation...

It&#039;s the globally synchronised nature of govt bond issuance that&#039;s interesting to me. There was an astonishing table in Moneyweek in Oct (I think originally from Societe Generale but I can&#039;t find a link to it) that showed the unfunded liabilities plus level of &#039;admitted to&#039; govt debt for about 20 countries that was pretty scary (l&#039;ll try and find it and post from Twitter @smsfs). Actually made Britain middle-ranking in terms of the scale of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks FS &#8211; that&#8217;s exactly what I needed in terms of a contrary view. I&#8217;m still not sure about the output gap argument though vis a vis inflation (and I guess we&#8217;re not the only ones debating this particular issue at the moment). </p>
<p>Was it Mr Friedman who noted that &#8216;inflation is everywhere a monetary phenomenon&#8217; (I didn&#8217;t think there was a codicil about output gaps)? i.e. there would be a lot of countries with high unemployment who have still had high inflation&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the globally synchronised nature of govt bond issuance that&#8217;s interesting to me. There was an astonishing table in Moneyweek in Oct (I think originally from Societe Generale but I can&#8217;t find a link to it) that showed the unfunded liabilities plus level of &#8216;admitted to&#8217; govt debt for about 20 countries that was pretty scary (l&#8217;ll try and find it and post from Twitter @smsfs). Actually made Britain middle-ranking in terms of the scale of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Niklas Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklas Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If inflation is your big worry but you still want to reduce volatility and risk in your portfolio, how about index-linked gilts or Treasuries? Then the yield issue is divorced from the inflation question. (That said, remember that UK index-linked gilts are linked to RPI, not CPI, and RPI is currently negative.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If inflation is your big worry but you still want to reduce volatility and risk in your portfolio, how about index-linked gilts or Treasuries? Then the yield issue is divorced from the inflation question. (That said, remember that UK index-linked gilts are linked to RPI, not CPI, and RPI is currently negative.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did consider shorting US Treasuries back in Christmas, when I wrote this article about what I saw as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://monevator.com/2008/12/08/government-bonds-an-exciting-new-way-to-lose-money-to-the-bear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bond bubble&lt;/a&gt;. It would have been profitable with hindsight, but it&#039;s easy to forget how awful the situation looked back then. I was happy to buy equities on a 10/20 year view if required, but shorting is a whole different ball game.

The yield situation is a lot less crazy now, and shorting to me looks risky with the future so uncertain. As FS alludes to, there&#039;s an easy case to make for saying there&#039;s not lots/any of inflation on the way - the main reason bond markets are so expensive is because nearly all traders are so relaxed about the chances of an inflation spike. (Plus weird technical factors like QE).

My view though is 20 year bull runs tend to end, and inflation is perhaps the least predictable of all unpredictable economic factors. When not if, I think -- but I still wouldn&#039;t short - not least as FS says because it&#039;s going to be expensive while you&#039;re wrong! ;)

In terms of pigs at the trough metaphor, which I kind of like, yes, I see your logic. When you think the UK has bought £200 billion or so gilts in the past six months, and the government is going to have to keep issuing more and more debt without that willing buyer (who will eventually turn seller...)

Leaving aside investing, it&#039;s certainly a reason to be pretty sure whatever Government gets in next Spring they&#039;re going to have to slash public spending (otherwise bond markets will impose the hardship for them, via higher interest rates (to reduce consumption etc / i.e. Sterling crisis)).

So yes, I see your logic. But I&#039;ve very rarely shorted anything. Perhaps someone more experienced will come along and add their views! I&#039;m pretty much a long-only share/cash investor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did consider shorting US Treasuries back in Christmas, when I wrote this article about what I saw as a <a href="http://monevator.com/2008/12/08/government-bonds-an-exciting-new-way-to-lose-money-to-the-bear/" rel="nofollow">bond bubble</a>. It would have been profitable with hindsight, but it&#8217;s easy to forget how awful the situation looked back then. I was happy to buy equities on a 10/20 year view if required, but shorting is a whole different ball game.</p>
<p>The yield situation is a lot less crazy now, and shorting to me looks risky with the future so uncertain. As FS alludes to, there&#8217;s an easy case to make for saying there&#8217;s not lots/any of inflation on the way &#8211; the main reason bond markets are so expensive is because nearly all traders are so relaxed about the chances of an inflation spike. (Plus weird technical factors like QE).</p>
<p>My view though is 20 year bull runs tend to end, and inflation is perhaps the least predictable of all unpredictable economic factors. When not if, I think &#8212; but I still wouldn&#8217;t short &#8211; not least as FS says because it&#8217;s going to be expensive while you&#8217;re wrong! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In terms of pigs at the trough metaphor, which I kind of like, yes, I see your logic. When you think the UK has bought £200 billion or so gilts in the past six months, and the government is going to have to keep issuing more and more debt without that willing buyer (who will eventually turn seller&#8230;)</p>
<p>Leaving aside investing, it&#8217;s certainly a reason to be pretty sure whatever Government gets in next Spring they&#8217;re going to have to slash public spending (otherwise bond markets will impose the hardship for them, via higher interest rates (to reduce consumption etc / i.e. Sterling crisis)).</p>
<p>So yes, I see your logic. But I&#8217;ve very rarely shorted anything. Perhaps someone more experienced will come along and add their views! I&#8217;m pretty much a long-only share/cash investor.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some pretty charts!  People who think there&#039;s high inflation on the horizon are deluding themselves.

In the US, we&#039;ve been in a 20yr bond bull run, what makes people think inflation will spike with all such a huge output gap?  It won&#039;t, no matter how much monetary expansion there is.

You can short bonds if you want, but remember when you short, you PAY a the dividend, so you have to bake in that rate to your effective rate of return.

FS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some pretty charts!  People who think there&#8217;s high inflation on the horizon are deluding themselves.</p>
<p>In the US, we&#8217;ve been in a 20yr bond bull run, what makes people think inflation will spike with all such a huge output gap?  It won&#8217;t, no matter how much monetary expansion there is.</p>
<p>You can short bonds if you want, but remember when you short, you PAY a the dividend, so you have to bake in that rate to your effective rate of return.</p>
<p>FS</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting but the inflation / deflation question almost seems superceeded to me by whether the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/will-the-government-bond-market-blow-up-46209.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bond market implodes&lt;/a&gt; (perhaps an ugly mix of metaphors) because of the sheer weight of savings-guzzling government pigs at the trough?

I have shorted something once in my life (and regretted it) but this is tempting (tell me I&#039;m an idiot - go on...) using perhaps a &lt;a href=&quot;http://bondetf.net/short-bond-etf.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;short bond ETF&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting but the inflation / deflation question almost seems superceeded to me by whether the <a href="http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/will-the-government-bond-market-blow-up-46209.aspx" rel="nofollow">bond market implodes</a> (perhaps an ugly mix of metaphors) because of the sheer weight of savings-guzzling government pigs at the trough?</p>
<p>I have shorted something once in my life (and regretted it) but this is tempting (tell me I&#8217;m an idiot &#8211; go on&#8230;) using perhaps a <a href="http://bondetf.net/short-bond-etf.htm" rel="nofollow">short bond ETF</a>?</p>
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