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		<title>By: Investor Junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investor Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either way it&#039;s a good tie in that you have to be a &quot;genius&quot; to invest... ha get it?  I don&#039;t know if people caught my pun. ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either way it&#8217;s a good tie in that you have to be a &#8220;genius&#8221; to invest&#8230; ha get it?  I don&#8217;t know if people caught my pun. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Investor Junkie</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/weekend-reading-interest-is-interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-23224</link>
		<dc:creator>Investor Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Money Reasons: Yea I knew about this... Hence why I said in my post &quot;It&#039;s believed Einstein once said..&quot; 

snopes.com states &quot;Status: Undetermined&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Money Reasons: Yea I knew about this&#8230; Hence why I said in my post &#8220;It&#8217;s believed Einstein once said..&#8221; </p>
<p>snopes.com states &#8220;Status: Undetermined&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: The Digerati Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Digerati Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention!  I also saw the light when I first learned of the power of compounding.  Thanks for bringing it to light here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention!  I also saw the light when I first learned of the power of compounding.  Thanks for bringing it to light here.<br />
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lemondy - I think copy and paste is a bit harsh... surely &lt;em&gt;The Telegraph&lt;/em&gt; piece is an &#039;accessible reinterpretation&#039;. ;)

A good reminder to check out Bond Vigilantes more in 2010 though... I think this will be an interesting year for bonds (and for what it&#039;s worth (not much!) I agree more with Pimco that UK gilts are over-valued, even after the declines we&#039;ve already seen since I began opining this in late 2008).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lemondy &#8211; I think copy and paste is a bit harsh&#8230; surely <em>The Telegraph</em> piece is an &#8216;accessible reinterpretation&#8217;. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A good reminder to check out Bond Vigilantes more in 2010 though&#8230; I think this will be an interesting year for bonds (and for what it&#8217;s worth (not much!) I agree more with Pimco that UK gilts are over-valued, even after the declines we&#8217;ve already seen since I began opining this in late 2008).</p>
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		<title>By: Lemondy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lemondy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Telegraph article on gilts is just a copy and paste of Richard Woolnough&#039;s post to the Bond Vigilantes blog: http://www.bondvigilantes.co.uk/blog/2010/01/28/1264688880000.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Telegraph article on gilts is just a copy and paste of Richard Woolnough&#8217;s post to the Bond Vigilantes blog: <a href="http://www.bondvigilantes.co.uk/blog/2010/01/28/1264688880000.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bondvigilantes.co.uk/blog/2010/01/28/1264688880000.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Money Reasons - Yeah, I know where you&#039;re coming from. It&#039;s like that image of Einstein sticking his tongue out. He probably did it once in his adult life, and everyone remembers &quot;crazy, playful Einstein&quot;. I these slightly silly things bring these geniuses back into a human scale, sometimes.

That said, I still like the quote! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Money Reasons &#8211; Yeah, I know where you&#8217;re coming from. It&#8217;s like that image of Einstein sticking his tongue out. He probably did it once in his adult life, and everyone remembers &#8220;crazy, playful Einstein&#8221;. I these slightly silly things bring these geniuses back into a human scale, sometimes.</p>
<p>That said, I still like the quote! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Money Reasons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Reasons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Investor Junkie&#039;s post was a good one, but I don&#039; t know if I believe the Einstein quote.  For an analysis around the Einstein quote, check out the snopes.com&#039;s take on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/interest.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Einstein and Compound interest.&lt;/a&gt;  

If anything it was probably a tonque-in-cheek kind of quote...  Perhaps something like:
&lt;b&gt;Interviewer:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt; Albert, what is the most powerful force in the universe?&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Einstein:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt; compound interest&lt;/i&gt; (then laughs probably followed)...

So, I&#039;m sure it was taking out of context, but still Einstein surely respected the invention and principals of compound interest..

Sorry if I&#039;m getting a bit nit picky here...  but I just want to get the facts straight.  I hate it when things are taken out of context and used as absolute fact...  After all, do we really think that Einstein really though that &quot;compound interest&quot; was really the strongest force in the universe?

I&#039;ll get off of my soapbox nowm  Sorry if I expanded too much on this piece...  I really did like Investor Junkie&#039;s post...  but that particular quote did make me cringe a bit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Investor Junkie&#8217;s post was a good one, but I don&#8217; t know if I believe the Einstein quote.  For an analysis around the Einstein quote, check out the snopes.com&#8217;s take on <a href="http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/interest.asp" rel="nofollow">Einstein and Compound interest.</a>  </p>
<p>If anything it was probably a tonque-in-cheek kind of quote&#8230;  Perhaps something like:<br />
<b>Interviewer:</b><i> Albert, what is the most powerful force in the universe?</i><br />
<b>Einstein:</b><i> compound interest</i> (then laughs probably followed)&#8230;</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m sure it was taking out of context, but still Einstein surely respected the invention and principals of compound interest..</p>
<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m getting a bit nit picky here&#8230;  but I just want to get the facts straight.  I hate it when things are taken out of context and used as absolute fact&#8230;  After all, do we really think that Einstein really though that &#8220;compound interest&#8221; was really the strongest force in the universe?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get off of my soapbox nowm  Sorry if I expanded too much on this piece&#8230;  I really did like Investor Junkie&#8217;s post&#8230;  but that particular quote did make me cringe a bit.<br />
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davy Jones - Indeed. There&#039;s a spooky mind game proposed by the Astronomer Royal Sir Martin Rees (I think) about the potential of ever-increasing computing power.

Long story short - if we assume computer power keeps doubling as rapidly as it has, we can assume we will eventually be able to simulate worlds, physics, universes, and universes containing computers simulating universes. At this point it becomes statistically unlikely you&#039;re *not* living in a simulation!

Welcome to The Matrix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davy Jones &#8211; Indeed. There&#8217;s a spooky mind game proposed by the Astronomer Royal Sir Martin Rees (I think) about the potential of ever-increasing computing power.</p>
<p>Long story short &#8211; if we assume computer power keeps doubling as rapidly as it has, we can assume we will eventually be able to simulate worlds, physics, universes, and universes containing computers simulating universes. At this point it becomes statistically unlikely you&#8217;re *not* living in a simulation!</p>
<p>Welcome to The Matrix.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - The 50% tax is levied on the bank&#039;s bonus pool, as I understand it. So say the bank has a bonus pool of £100 million - it would have to pay £50 million tax on that, *then* pay the remaining £50 million to employees. As you imply, the employees then pay tax as usual on their bonus. (40% in the UK at the highest rate).

For the time this one-time tax applies, it is therefore incredibly expensive for a bank to pay a big bonus, which was the whole point - it was meant to encourage them not to pay bonuses, and instead to repair their capital ratios. But bankers are to money what kids with a big straw are to a milkshake: Slurp! Slurp! So they&#039;re paying them anyway, and it&#039;s shareholders and perhaps customers that will suffer.

Incidentally, I read in The Sunday Times that even the former Chief Economist of the IMF agrees with me about bankers, saying: &quot;They think they are worth the money. They are not.&quot; (He is blogging at http://baselinescenario.com/).

As ever, I&#039;m not saying bankers don&#039;t work hard, doing a difficult job that deserves a relatively high salary. I&#039;m saying they&#039;re not entitled to the billions they appropriate on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; The 50% tax is levied on the bank&#8217;s bonus pool, as I understand it. So say the bank has a bonus pool of £100 million &#8211; it would have to pay £50 million tax on that, *then* pay the remaining £50 million to employees. As you imply, the employees then pay tax as usual on their bonus. (40% in the UK at the highest rate).</p>
<p>For the time this one-time tax applies, it is therefore incredibly expensive for a bank to pay a big bonus, which was the whole point &#8211; it was meant to encourage them not to pay bonuses, and instead to repair their capital ratios. But bankers are to money what kids with a big straw are to a milkshake: Slurp! Slurp! So they&#8217;re paying them anyway, and it&#8217;s shareholders and perhaps customers that will suffer.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I read in The Sunday Times that even the former Chief Economist of the IMF agrees with me about bankers, saying: &#8220;They think they are worth the money. They are not.&#8221; (He is blogging at <a href="http://baselinescenario.com/" rel="nofollow">http://baselinescenario.com/</a>).</p>
<p>As ever, I&#8217;m not saying bankers don&#8217;t work hard, doing a difficult job that deserves a relatively high salary. I&#8217;m saying they&#8217;re not entitled to the billions they appropriate on top.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mate, thought I asked you a question here, but guess i forgot.

Do you know if the 50% tax on bonuses your gov&#039;t implemented is on top of normal taxes i.e. $50,000 is taxed at 30% normally, so the remaining $35,000 is taxed AGAIN at 50%, or is the 50% tax just a 50% tax now on $50,000..... so the marginal increase is 15% in this example?

thnx
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mate, thought I asked you a question here, but guess i forgot.</p>
<p>Do you know if the 50% tax on bonuses your gov&#8217;t implemented is on top of normal taxes i.e. $50,000 is taxed at 30% normally, so the remaining $35,000 is taxed AGAIN at 50%, or is the 50% tax just a 50% tax now on $50,000&#8230;.. so the marginal increase is 15% in this example?</p>
<p>thnx<br />
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		<title>By: Davy Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow .. it&#039;s good to know your not alone ! , remember my bro sitting down with me when i was 13 explaining via calculater what happens to £10,000 at 10 % compounded growth , i was simply astonished &amp; yes for minds that are open , your never the same afterward

One of the slight problems with human thinking is we tend to think in linear terms so we can understand simple growth rates , yet exponential growth rates seem unbelievable .. though they are just as real

If computing power continues doubling as it currently is , it will be a billion times more powerful in 25 years , this goes way beyond compounding rates .. though you have to wander with exponentials if they will eventually hit brick walls until another paradigm moves it forward again

@RIT , nearly up with you there investing 50% , paid my 3 bed council house off years ago so rent free now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow .. it&#8217;s good to know your not alone ! , remember my bro sitting down with me when i was 13 explaining via calculater what happens to £10,000 at 10 % compounded growth , i was simply astonished &amp; yes for minds that are open , your never the same afterward</p>
<p>One of the slight problems with human thinking is we tend to think in linear terms so we can understand simple growth rates , yet exponential growth rates seem unbelievable .. though they are just as real</p>
<p>If computing power continues doubling as it currently is , it will be a billion times more powerful in 25 years , this goes way beyond compounding rates .. though you have to wander with exponentials if they will eventually hit brick walls until another paradigm moves it forward again</p>
<p>@RIT , nearly up with you there investing 50% , paid my 3 bed council house off years ago so rent free now</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Faustus - Good point. Volatility is super interesting. To link to &lt;em&gt;MoneyChimp&lt;/em&gt; again, its articles on volatility are brilliant if hard going. Try playing around with its &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moneychimp.com/articles/risk/longterm.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monte Carlo calculator&lt;/a&gt; to see how volatility affects returns.

@ermine - True, unless you&#039;re in debt (or in a house with a mortgage!) Sadly, I&#039;m not.

@Investor Junkie - Agreed, they should teach compound interest to those who&#039;d like to learn in special classes in school, when you&#039;ve enough decades left to smooth the returns.

@RIT - Yes, we do sound similar. I have to say I&#039;m having second thoughts about some aspects about the way I&#039;ve gone about life so far, though, re: the balance between earnings, saving and spending. I&#039;m going to post on this on Monday, if I&#039;m not too tied up doing the earning.

@Adam - Good luck with the new blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Faustus &#8211; Good point. Volatility is super interesting. To link to <em>MoneyChimp</em> again, its articles on volatility are brilliant if hard going. Try playing around with its <a href="http://www.moneychimp.com/articles/risk/longterm.htm" rel="nofollow">Monte Carlo calculator</a> to see how volatility affects returns.</p>
<p>@ermine &#8211; True, unless you&#8217;re in debt (or in a house with a mortgage!) Sadly, I&#8217;m not.</p>
<p>@Investor Junkie &#8211; Agreed, they should teach compound interest to those who&#8217;d like to learn in special classes in school, when you&#8217;ve enough decades left to smooth the returns.</p>
<p>@RIT &#8211; Yes, we do sound similar. I have to say I&#8217;m having second thoughts about some aspects about the way I&#8217;ve gone about life so far, though, re: the balance between earnings, saving and spending. I&#8217;m going to post on this on Monday, if I&#8217;m not too tied up doing the earning.</p>
<p>@Adam &#8211; Good luck with the new blog!</p>
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