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		<title>By: Doctor Stock</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/steep-yield-curve/comment-page-1/#comment-19689</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Stock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st time here... glad I found you...  May it be as you say and we all profit!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st time here&#8230; glad I found you&#8230;  May it be as you say and we all profit!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Reading: Christmas is Over :&#60; Edition &#124; HighYields.com</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/steep-yield-curve/comment-page-1/#comment-19635</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Reading: Christmas is Over :&#60; Edition &#124; HighYields.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highlights how the steep yield curve may mean further upside for equities (UK, US would behave similarly in my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, guess who raked in $500 MILLION in fees selling $60 bil of their own new stock to investors recently?  BOA, ML, and WElls Fargo!  Whoo hoo!  

Happy Holidays!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, guess who raked in $500 MILLION in fees selling $60 bil of their own new stock to investors recently?  BOA, ML, and WElls Fargo!  Whoo hoo!  </p>
<p>Happy Holidays!</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@George - The easiest way to do that is to stay mainly in cash. People overcomplicate hedging... personally I think for private investors who are nervous but want equity exposure, over the short term little beats cash savings and say 10-20% in a tracker. For the long-term you wouldn&#039;t want that set-up, but for the long term I wouldn&#039;t want to be bearish on equities. 

I wouldn&#039;t be bearish in the short term either, but that&#039;s the point of the article! Short term is a gamble though, as others have said on this thread.

Thanks for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George &#8211; The easiest way to do that is to stay mainly in cash. People overcomplicate hedging&#8230; personally I think for private investors who are nervous but want equity exposure, over the short term little beats cash savings and say 10-20% in a tracker. For the long-term you wouldn&#8217;t want that set-up, but for the long term I wouldn&#8217;t want to be bearish on equities. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be bearish in the short term either, but that&#8217;s the point of the article! Short term is a gamble though, as others have said on this thread.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/steep-yield-curve/comment-page-1/#comment-19567</link>
		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I wouldn’t even say that a big price rise is a long odds bet in the short term. My view is that it is not possible to say anything about what is going to happen to stocks over the next year or two. There could be a big turn up or a big turn down or a little turn up or a little turn down.&lt;/em&gt;

Agreed, broadly, Rob. People read a lot of patterns into noise, and that&#039;s at the most extreme over short terms. Over longer term the pattern Vs fake pattern argument is more nuanced. I agree clearly it&#039;s better to buy when prices are low than high, and the crucial point you make -- that high prices suggest more of a chance of a price drop to come -- is of course the one most forgotten by investors who pile in during bull markets.

As ever the argument boils down to what is high in terms of price. I think investing now is unlikely to produce poor returns on a long term view and possibly even a medium term view. I think P/Es look high, but I expect earnings to explode. Others feel we havent&#039; seen a cyclical low in P/E ratios, and that today&#039;s P/Es are too high to expect much gain from here.

That&#039;s what makes a market! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I wouldn’t even say that a big price rise is a long odds bet in the short term. My view is that it is not possible to say anything about what is going to happen to stocks over the next year or two. There could be a big turn up or a big turn down or a little turn up or a little turn down.</em></p>
<p>Agreed, broadly, Rob. People read a lot of patterns into noise, and that&#8217;s at the most extreme over short terms. Over longer term the pattern Vs fake pattern argument is more nuanced. I agree clearly it&#8217;s better to buy when prices are low than high, and the crucial point you make &#8212; that high prices suggest more of a chance of a price drop to come &#8212; is of course the one most forgotten by investors who pile in during bull markets.</p>
<p>As ever the argument boils down to what is high in terms of price. I think investing now is unlikely to produce poor returns on a long term view and possibly even a medium term view. I think P/Es look high, but I expect earnings to explode. Others feel we havent&#8217; seen a cyclical low in P/E ratios, and that today&#8217;s P/Es are too high to expect much gain from here.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what makes a market! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/steep-yield-curve/comment-page-1/#comment-19566</link>
		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, and that&#039;s what sticks in the throat for other people FS -- the banks gambled recklessly, it blew up, and now they&#039;re being re-hydrated with enormous infusions of cheap money. Leaving aside that though, I agree it&#039;s a big opportunity and people who still think it&#039;s mid-2008 are fighting the last battle; leaving aside regulation risk, the banks are on the mend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, and that&#8217;s what sticks in the throat for other people FS &#8212; the banks gambled recklessly, it blew up, and now they&#8217;re being re-hydrated with enormous infusions of cheap money. Leaving aside that though, I agree it&#8217;s a big opportunity and people who still think it&#8217;s mid-2008 are fighting the last battle; leaving aside regulation risk, the banks are on the mend.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/steep-yield-curve/comment-page-1/#comment-19393</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great point which makes me so excited.  First the most maligned banks on Wall St. (BOA, Citi, Wells) raise $60 bil from the public, to pay back the public, and now a steep yield curve for them to make BOATLOADS of monay!

Whooo hooo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great point which makes me so excited.  First the most maligned banks on Wall St. (BOA, Citi, Wells) raise $60 bil from the public, to pay back the public, and now a steep yield curve for them to make BOATLOADS of monay!</p>
<p>Whooo hooo!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think the idea that you can time business cycles down to convenient 15-year cycles is a bit of a joke. Broad trends, fine, but I don’t believe shares need to go down again until 2014 to fit Schwarz’ theory. In fact, if you’re investing for the long-term I think there could still be double digit gains in the stock market per year from here &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve spent years studying this questions.

The historical data shows that long-term predictions (properly caveated) always work. But it also shows that you are right to be skeptical of overly precise predictions. We can say today that the odds of a big price drop are far higher than the odds of a big price rise. But we cannot say when the big price drop will come.

And we cannot rule out a big price rise. Even at times of high prices, we can see big price rises. All that we can say is that it is a long odds bet.

I wouldn&#039;t even say that a big price rise is a long odds bet in the short term. My view is that it is not possible to say anything about what is going to happen to stocks over the next year or two. There could be a big turn up or a big turn down or a little turn up or a little turn down.

My take.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think the idea that you can time business cycles down to convenient 15-year cycles is a bit of a joke. Broad trends, fine, but I don’t believe shares need to go down again until 2014 to fit Schwarz’ theory. In fact, if you’re investing for the long-term I think there could still be double digit gains in the stock market per year from here </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent years studying this questions.</p>
<p>The historical data shows that long-term predictions (properly caveated) always work. But it also shows that you are right to be skeptical of overly precise predictions. We can say today that the odds of a big price drop are far higher than the odds of a big price rise. But we cannot say when the big price drop will come.</p>
<p>And we cannot rule out a big price rise. Even at times of high prices, we can see big price rises. All that we can say is that it is a long odds bet.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even say that a big price rise is a long odds bet in the short term. My view is that it is not possible to say anything about what is going to happen to stocks over the next year or two. There could be a big turn up or a big turn down or a little turn up or a little turn down.</p>
<p>My take.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty challenging to predict which way the market will go. Butt I think that at some point it is going to go down in a big way. The question is, how do we prepare so that we can make money if we are correct, but don&#039;t get wiped out if we are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty challenging to predict which way the market will go. Butt I think that at some point it is going to go down in a big way. The question is, how do we prepare so that we can make money if we are correct, but don&#8217;t get wiped out if we are wrong.</p>
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