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		<title>By: Personal Finance News Carnival Volume 13</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/run-portfolio-hedge-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-26662</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal Finance News Carnival Volume 13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Rob presents Roth IRA Rates posted at Stock Tips.    The Investor presents How to run your portfolio like a hedge fund posted at Monevator.com, saying, &#8220;People pay a fortune to hedge funds that claim to reduce [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ermine - I&#039;m sure you already know this, but for a one-to-one correlation you would have to size your position to be equivalent to the amount of movement you&#039;d see if you were holding the equivalent basket of shares.

i.e To &#039;recreate&#039; (ignoring costs/spreads etc) a £10,000 holding of shares that cost £1-00 a share, an investor would bet £100 a point (a penny) - since an increase of 1p in the real-world share portfolio would be equal to 10,000 x 0.01 = £100.

It&#039;s very easy to get lost in the figures, or to accidentally take on huge leverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ermine &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you already know this, but for a one-to-one correlation you would have to size your position to be equivalent to the amount of movement you&#8217;d see if you were holding the equivalent basket of shares.</p>
<p>i.e To &#8216;recreate&#8217; (ignoring costs/spreads etc) a £10,000 holding of shares that cost £1-00 a share, an investor would bet £100 a point (a penny) &#8211; since an increase of 1p in the real-world share portfolio would be equal to 10,000 x 0.01 = £100.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very easy to get lost in the figures, or to accidentally take on huge leverage.</p>
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		<title>By: ermine</title>
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		<dc:creator>ermine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I demonstarted several of the things that one shouldn&#039;t do when investing. Basically a divison at work was caught cooking the books, and it came out and the share price started to dive. I was looking to hedge the value of the 5 year pipeline of shares I had bought which were in the tax embargo. and I did it in a hurry. When the volatile price started to go up and the first margin call came I figured I should eat the £500 loss and chalk it up to education. As Buffett said, don&#039;t buy what you don&#039;t understand.

I consider myself reasonably numerate, and I knew exactly what my real shareholding was. However, what I didn&#039;t get right was how IG Index denominated the company, ie how many IG units to buy to hedge x real shares. When IG wanted £500 more, I couldn&#039;t convince myself the value of my tax-embargoed shareholding had gone up by £500, so I was on the wrong track or too highly geared. I&#039;d be interested to know how one should go about that sort of thing. The relationship didn&#039;t seem to be one to one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I demonstarted several of the things that one shouldn&#8217;t do when investing. Basically a divison at work was caught cooking the books, and it came out and the share price started to dive. I was looking to hedge the value of the 5 year pipeline of shares I had bought which were in the tax embargo. and I did it in a hurry. When the volatile price started to go up and the first margin call came I figured I should eat the £500 loss and chalk it up to education. As Buffett said, don&#8217;t buy what you don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>I consider myself reasonably numerate, and I knew exactly what my real shareholding was. However, what I didn&#8217;t get right was how IG Index denominated the company, ie how many IG units to buy to hedge x real shares. When IG wanted £500 more, I couldn&#8217;t convince myself the value of my tax-embargoed shareholding had gone up by £500, so I was on the wrong track or too highly geared. I&#8217;d be interested to know how one should go about that sort of thing. The relationship didn&#8217;t seem to be one to one</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/run-portfolio-hedge-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-21501</link>
		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ermine - Indeed, and that&#039;s a relatively simple case. (Re: The tracking error, I presume you took into account any dividend payments and interest due through leverage?)

Trying to hedge out for example the movement in the oil price from the performance of a small-cap oil explorer is rocket science, which is why so many Phds work for hedge funds.

This article should be considered as a bit of insight into how hedge strategies work, and as I hope I said sufficiently inside the article, NOT as a suggestion anyone use them. Perhaps I&#039;ll change the word &#039;Note&#039; in the alert box near the start to your phrase &#039;wealth warning&#039;.

Thanks for the heads up. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ermine &#8211; Indeed, and that&#8217;s a relatively simple case. (Re: The tracking error, I presume you took into account any dividend payments and interest due through leverage?)</p>
<p>Trying to hedge out for example the movement in the oil price from the performance of a small-cap oil explorer is rocket science, which is why so many Phds work for hedge funds.</p>
<p>This article should be considered as a bit of insight into how hedge strategies work, and as I hope I said sufficiently inside the article, NOT as a suggestion anyone use them. Perhaps I&#8217;ll change the word &#8216;Note&#8217; in the alert box near the start to your phrase &#8216;wealth warning&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ermine</title>
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		<dc:creator>ermine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This needs a bigger wealth warning :) Working out how much short you need to buy to protect a long isn&#039;t as straightforward as it seemed to me when I tried to short my employer to protect the fall in share price of employee shares I had bought.

These have to be held for five years but are purchased at a 41% tax advantage. Either I screwed up or the spread betting firm I used has a tracking error, as results quickly showed me this was a pool too deep for me to swim in. Counterintuitively, while my employer&#039;s share price has gone down the pan, the combination of the 41% tax advantage and the dividends over five years mean I&#039;m still reasonably well ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This needs a bigger wealth warning <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Working out how much short you need to buy to protect a long isn&#8217;t as straightforward as it seemed to me when I tried to short my employer to protect the fall in share price of employee shares I had bought.</p>
<p>These have to be held for five years but are purchased at a 41% tax advantage. Either I screwed up or the spread betting firm I used has a tracking error, as results quickly showed me this was a pool too deep for me to swim in. Counterintuitively, while my employer&#8217;s share price has gone down the pan, the combination of the 41% tax advantage and the dividends over five years mean I&#8217;m still reasonably well ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - Hah, nah but watch this space my friend. Will have some news next week. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; Hah, nah but watch this space my friend. Will have some news next week. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Faustus - Quite right about some forms of shorting (such as spreadbets) though other methods you can limit your loss in advance (where your option expires worthless). Let me re-iterate: All this stuff is risky, in the proper sense of the word. Most people should start with passive investments, and then maybe try buying some stocks with some money they can afford to lose. Shorting is for advanced investors only!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Faustus &#8211; Quite right about some forms of shorting (such as spreadbets) though other methods you can limit your loss in advance (where your option expires worthless). Let me re-iterate: All this stuff is risky, in the proper sense of the word. Most people should start with passive investments, and then maybe try buying some stocks with some money they can afford to lose. Shorting is for advanced investors only!</p>
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		<title>By: Faustus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faustus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks - another interesting post.

I always thought that many shorting options were extremely risky because there was no limit to the downside (i.e. you can lose more than you wager). I suppose sticking to Short ETFs tracking indexes would be one way around this, but I&#039;ve not seen very many of these in Britain.

On Position Sizing, it would be really helpful to know what the correlation is between different asset classes in Britain - Property (via Reits) Equities, Bonds, Commodities, and Cash. At the moment it&#039;s easy to find plenty of people who think all these classes are expensive, which makes hedging this way seem like guesswork!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211; another interesting post.</p>
<p>I always thought that many shorting options were extremely risky because there was no limit to the downside (i.e. you can lose more than you wager). I suppose sticking to Short ETFs tracking indexes would be one way around this, but I&#8217;ve not seen very many of these in Britain.</p>
<p>On Position Sizing, it would be really helpful to know what the correlation is between different asset classes in Britain &#8211; Property (via Reits) Equities, Bonds, Commodities, and Cash. At the moment it&#8217;s easy to find plenty of people who think all these classes are expensive, which makes hedging this way seem like guesswork!</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, u starting ur own hedge fund?  Hope u don&#039;t charge me 2 and 20!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, u starting ur own hedge fund?  Hope u don&#8217;t charge me 2 and 20!</p>
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