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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havvy, as Bill says, I believe the business cycle is an inherent part of a capitalist economy and/or market system, regardless of the monetary base.

To see it in its pure form, look at commodity extraction as a sector. Miners invariably delay production while prices rise, because they fear their investment will be wasted (or worse) should prices fall. Eventually prices get so high that the potential rewards of expansion are greater than the perceived risks, so they expand production, find new reserves and open new mines etc.

Since their particular mined resource is in demand, all is well, the market absorbs the new supply, profits rise further for the miners. Perhaps the old cautious management is sidelined for those who think mining has entered some new perpetually expansionist era. (You saw this with banking in the 1990s, for instance).

This is the boom phase.

More mines are opened, more money enters the sector - old hands may even sell out as they sense the maths no longer makes sense except on the thinnest margins at the highest prices (see for comparison commercial property from about 2004-2007).

Typically with mining, eventually either demand eases off because of a slowdown elsewhere in the economy (myriad reasons) or else supply overtakes demand. Both lead to a fall (maybe bearable) or a collapse (bad!) in prices.

Mines that were barely economic at the old prices are now loss making. Companies start to go bust. Mines are put on sale - but nobody wants a mine now, driving prices down lower.

This is the bust phase.

You see similar patterns in all sectors, in different guises. It might be employment costs, investment flows, regulatory changes, all kinds of mounting inefficiencies.

Money supply is just one of many factors. Of course governments while try to increase or choke off the supply of money (and consequently inflation) as part of their management of the economy - with an aim to smooth out the highs and lows - and it&#039;s true the results can vary. But it&#039;s just one small part of the picture, in my opinion.

Thanks to you and Bill for your comments! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havvy, as Bill says, I believe the business cycle is an inherent part of a capitalist economy and/or market system, regardless of the monetary base.</p>
<p>To see it in its pure form, look at commodity extraction as a sector. Miners invariably delay production while prices rise, because they fear their investment will be wasted (or worse) should prices fall. Eventually prices get so high that the potential rewards of expansion are greater than the perceived risks, so they expand production, find new reserves and open new mines etc.</p>
<p>Since their particular mined resource is in demand, all is well, the market absorbs the new supply, profits rise further for the miners. Perhaps the old cautious management is sidelined for those who think mining has entered some new perpetually expansionist era. (You saw this with banking in the 1990s, for instance).</p>
<p>This is the boom phase.</p>
<p>More mines are opened, more money enters the sector &#8211; old hands may even sell out as they sense the maths no longer makes sense except on the thinnest margins at the highest prices (see for comparison commercial property from about 2004-2007).</p>
<p>Typically with mining, eventually either demand eases off because of a slowdown elsewhere in the economy (myriad reasons) or else supply overtakes demand. Both lead to a fall (maybe bearable) or a collapse (bad!) in prices.</p>
<p>Mines that were barely economic at the old prices are now loss making. Companies start to go bust. Mines are put on sale &#8211; but nobody wants a mine now, driving prices down lower.</p>
<p>This is the bust phase.</p>
<p>You see similar patterns in all sectors, in different guises. It might be employment costs, investment flows, regulatory changes, all kinds of mounting inefficiencies.</p>
<p>Money supply is just one of many factors. Of course governments while try to increase or choke off the supply of money (and consequently inflation) as part of their management of the economy &#8211; with an aim to smooth out the highs and lows &#8211; and it&#8217;s true the results can vary. But it&#8217;s just one small part of the picture, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Thanks to you and Bill for your comments! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havvy, I&#039;m forced to assume that you have not had much experience or education in the field of economics.  Whether we use fiat money or the gold standard, there is a very real business cycle and it has been happening for centuries.  It is the result of a great many inefficiencies in the market that prevent that market from ever truly reaching equilibrium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havvy, I&#8217;m forced to assume that you have not had much experience or education in the field of economics.  Whether we use fiat money or the gold standard, there is a very real business cycle and it has been happening for centuries.  It is the result of a great many inefficiencies in the market that prevent that market from ever truly reaching equilibrium.</p>
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		<title>By: Havvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must contend your initial assumption &quot;Capitalist economies follow a business cycle&quot;.  The business cycle is actually caused by frauds in material wealth.  For instance, the printing of fiat money leads to a lowering in the value of a dollar, the dollar which most people thinks is still worth the same, but is worth less, much less over time.  Of course, it takes time for prices to adjust.  The initial period of that is the boom.  The secondary period the bust.  Of course, people think they can bring back the boom by just printing more money, but people find out eventually, or it speeds up (hyperinflation) so fast no investment is possible.  While the cycle exists currently, it should be explained why, what will happen when it continues, how it can be stopped, and how until it is stopped, how one can profit.  You did the last point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must contend your initial assumption &#8220;Capitalist economies follow a business cycle&#8221;.  The business cycle is actually caused by frauds in material wealth.  For instance, the printing of fiat money leads to a lowering in the value of a dollar, the dollar which most people thinks is still worth the same, but is worth less, much less over time.  Of course, it takes time for prices to adjust.  The initial period of that is the boom.  The secondary period the bust.  Of course, people think they can bring back the boom by just printing more money, but people find out eventually, or it speeds up (hyperinflation) so fast no investment is possible.  While the cycle exists currently, it should be explained why, what will happen when it continues, how it can be stopped, and how until it is stopped, how one can profit.  You did the last point.</p>
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