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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Heiko -- The tax year runs from 6th April through to 5th April next year. The statement is due in January for the previous year, but that&#039;s a bureaucratic form-filing detail. Make sure you&#039;ve figured out what period the gains and losses occurred in.

As I understand your situation I do not think you will not be allowed to carry the losses back against capital gains of prior years, but please do seek professional advice that is informed of your personal circumstances.

@All -- I&#039;d love to be able to answer these questions with confidence, but these are complicated issues which will very possibly need the attention of a specialist tax advisor who can look out for the particular issues in these domains.

Sometimes you have to pay professionals for advice, and spending a few hundred pounds with a good accountant - when it is regarding multi-tens of thousands of pound tax affairs - is a likely candidate. (As opposed to say, overpaying for mediocre fund management).

Fully applaud doing some research, of course, to get yourself up to speed first. 

Note that property has particularly fiendishly complicated issues. But the tax man has put some decent information online.

This HMRC page introduces the basics of property CGT:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cgt/property/basics.htm

This page goes into more detail about calculating CGT on property:

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cgt/property/calc-cgt.htm

This site answers some frequently asked questions in more detail:

http://www.netlawman.co.uk/info/allowable-losses.php

Hope these are helpful.

I am not however going to be able to be drawn into complicated individual questions, mainly because I&#039;m not qualified to give you specialist, personal, advice, even if I knew all the details of your situation, which usually has a strong bearing on tax matters.

To brutally paraphrase the great philosophy Wittgenstein: &quot;Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Heiko &#8212; The tax year runs from 6th April through to 5th April next year. The statement is due in January for the previous year, but that&#8217;s a bureaucratic form-filing detail. Make sure you&#8217;ve figured out what period the gains and losses occurred in.</p>
<p>As I understand your situation I do not think you will not be allowed to carry the losses back against capital gains of prior years, but please do seek professional advice that is informed of your personal circumstances.</p>
<p>@All &#8212; I&#8217;d love to be able to answer these questions with confidence, but these are complicated issues which will very possibly need the attention of a specialist tax advisor who can look out for the particular issues in these domains.</p>
<p>Sometimes you have to pay professionals for advice, and spending a few hundred pounds with a good accountant &#8211; when it is regarding multi-tens of thousands of pound tax affairs &#8211; is a likely candidate. (As opposed to say, overpaying for mediocre fund management).</p>
<p>Fully applaud doing some research, of course, to get yourself up to speed first. </p>
<p>Note that property has particularly fiendishly complicated issues. But the tax man has put some decent information online.</p>
<p>This HMRC page introduces the basics of property CGT:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cgt/property/basics.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cgt/property/basics.htm</a></p>
<p>This page goes into more detail about calculating CGT on property:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cgt/property/calc-cgt.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cgt/property/calc-cgt.htm</a></p>
<p>This site answers some frequently asked questions in more detail:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.netlawman.co.uk/info/allowable-losses.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.netlawman.co.uk/info/allowable-losses.php</a></p>
<p>Hope these are helpful.</p>
<p>I am not however going to be able to be drawn into complicated individual questions, mainly because I&#8217;m not qualified to give you specialist, personal, advice, even if I knew all the details of your situation, which usually has a strong bearing on tax matters.</p>
<p>To brutally paraphrase the great philosophy Wittgenstein: &#8220;Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Heiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies, got the dates wrong in my previous post.
I meant &quot;by Jan 31 2012&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, got the dates wrong in my previous post.<br />
I meant &#8220;by Jan 31 2012&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: Heiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ The Investor 
Saw this article recently - very good summary.
Had a question:
Significant Capital gains tax as a result of a property sale (tax year 2010/11). Will do my corresponding tax statement by Jan 31 2011.
If I now (i.e. before Jan 31 2011) sold shares on which I had suffered significant losses, can I use those losses against my 2010/11 property gain ?
Or is it not possible to carry capital gains backward ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ The Investor<br />
Saw this article recently &#8211; very good summary.<br />
Had a question:<br />
Significant Capital gains tax as a result of a property sale (tax year 2010/11). Will do my corresponding tax statement by Jan 31 2011.<br />
If I now (i.e. before Jan 31 2011) sold shares on which I had suffered significant losses, can I use those losses against my 2010/11 property gain ?<br />
Or is it not possible to carry capital gains backward ?</p>
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		<title>By: Focus Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Focus Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

Well firstly I&#039;d like to say how impressed I am with this site.. I&#039;m a relatively young business owner who is starting to benefit from the fruits of my labour - the info on here looks perfect to help me invest some returns.

Anyway, this question&#039;s not about me personally....I&#039;m trying to flesh out a conversationI had at the bar last night..

A very close friend of mine&#039;s father owns a farm in a legal partnership with other family members. The farm hasnt been doing too well, so to pay some debt my friend&#039;s father liquidated a house for circa £200K that he personally owned two thirds of. The sale money went straight into the business account and the bulk was used to pay creditors on the farm business - the rest left in the farm account and has now be used in the same tax year - no real profit in the business . He took nothing for himself personally.

Does he need to pay capital gains on the cash he made on the property investment? I&#039;m assuming he does, as a gain is a gain? - even though he didn&#039;t profit from it and transferred it sraight into the business.

Poor chap has just had one disaster after another - asset sale after asset sale. 

Also, the additional third of the sale was owned by the farm business partrnership. I&#039;m guessing this is still classed as an asset sale and subject to CGT over the 3 partners? If it is I&#039;m thinking it should be subject to the 10% entrepreneurs relief rate?

Thanks very much for taking the time to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>Well firstly I&#8217;d like to say how impressed I am with this site.. I&#8217;m a relatively young business owner who is starting to benefit from the fruits of my labour &#8211; the info on here looks perfect to help me invest some returns.</p>
<p>Anyway, this question&#8217;s not about me personally&#8230;.I&#8217;m trying to flesh out a conversationI had at the bar last night..</p>
<p>A very close friend of mine&#8217;s father owns a farm in a legal partnership with other family members. The farm hasnt been doing too well, so to pay some debt my friend&#8217;s father liquidated a house for circa £200K that he personally owned two thirds of. The sale money went straight into the business account and the bulk was used to pay creditors on the farm business &#8211; the rest left in the farm account and has now be used in the same tax year &#8211; no real profit in the business . He took nothing for himself personally.</p>
<p>Does he need to pay capital gains on the cash he made on the property investment? I&#8217;m assuming he does, as a gain is a gain? &#8211; even though he didn&#8217;t profit from it and transferred it sraight into the business.</p>
<p>Poor chap has just had one disaster after another &#8211; asset sale after asset sale. </p>
<p>Also, the additional third of the sale was owned by the farm business partrnership. I&#8217;m guessing this is still classed as an asset sale and subject to CGT over the 3 partners? If it is I&#8217;m thinking it should be subject to the 10% entrepreneurs relief rate?</p>
<p>Thanks very much for taking the time to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Lame Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lame Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a current CGT Tax schedule which says I have made a loss from a disposal of a French Bank Fixed Interest Holding(BNP Paribas) - described as a &#039;deep discounted Income Holding&#039;  however, the LOSS is ignored in the total for CGT purposes. What I&#039;d like to know is, if this is not a loss for CGT purposes(as it is ignored - much like an exempt holding) then should it not be recorded as a loss somewhere else(i.e for income purposes?) in my Tax Schedule. For example, under a different Tax Schedule from a previous year, I have another FI holding which actually made a gain but although this is shown as an &#039;exempt holding&#039; the GAIN is accounted for in the income schedule(under UK Gov &amp; Corporate Interest).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a current CGT Tax schedule which says I have made a loss from a disposal of a French Bank Fixed Interest Holding(BNP Paribas) &#8211; described as a &#8216;deep discounted Income Holding&#8217;  however, the LOSS is ignored in the total for CGT purposes. What I&#8217;d like to know is, if this is not a loss for CGT purposes(as it is ignored &#8211; much like an exempt holding) then should it not be recorded as a loss somewhere else(i.e for income purposes?) in my Tax Schedule. For example, under a different Tax Schedule from a previous year, I have another FI holding which actually made a gain but although this is shown as an &#8216;exempt holding&#8217; the GAIN is accounted for in the income schedule(under UK Gov &#038; Corporate Interest).</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kort -- I&#039;m not sure, I&#039;m afraid I avoid marriage like the plague! I&#039;m guessing the answer is yes, but you are best seeking advice or asking the Revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kort &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure, I&#8217;m afraid I avoid marriage like the plague! I&#8217;m guessing the answer is yes, but you are best seeking advice or asking the Revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Investor
Divorced 11 years ago. I have my own house and ex-wife has been living in old marital home since divorce. Marital home is in joint names and I have been paying the mortgage, £20,000 left. My Ex has come into some family money and wants to buy me out of my share of the house and change the deeds, we agreed that I would get £50,000 plus £10,000 to pay off my share of the mortgage. The house was purchased for £60,000 in 1991. I believe that my free entitlement before liability for CGT is £10,600. Am I liable for CGT on profits made from the sale of my share/interest in the marital home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Investor<br />
Divorced 11 years ago. I have my own house and ex-wife has been living in old marital home since divorce. Marital home is in joint names and I have been paying the mortgage, £20,000 left. My Ex has come into some family money and wants to buy me out of my share of the house and change the deeds, we agreed that I would get £50,000 plus £10,000 to pay off my share of the mortgage. The house was purchased for £60,000 in 1991. I believe that my free entitlement before liability for CGT is £10,600. Am I liable for CGT on profits made from the sale of my share/interest in the marital home?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have shares in an American company held since 1983,divdends are paid quarterly as a scrip issue and buy more shares.
This means I have bought shares on over 100 occasions,how do I determine the buying price for CGT ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have shares in an American company held since 1983,divdends are paid quarterly as a scrip issue and buy more shares.<br />
This means I have bought shares on over 100 occasions,how do I determine the buying price for CGT ?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ The Investor, Thank you for clearing this up for me. I was worrying that I would have to file a Captial Gains Tax even if I did not hit the threshold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ The Investor, Thank you for clearing this up for me. I was worrying that I would have to file a Captial Gains Tax even if I did not hit the threshold.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 10:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris -- No, in most cases you only need to declare capital gains if either:

* you go over the annual CGT limit for your total gains (the gains you made from all your profitable share trades, minus the losses from all the loss-making ones, over the year)

or

* if you dispose of assets worth more than four times the annual allowance (i.e. £42,400 for 2011-2012) over the tax year. (Note this is total proceeds, not just profit).

You would not need to declare a £100 capital gain if that was all you made in the year. (I think it&#039;s useful to think of &#039;capital gains&#039; rather than &#039;profits&#039; to avoid confusing your thinking with income from other sources).

The gains are reported on supplementary pages of your annual self-assessment form. If you don&#039;t usually complete one but have made declarable gains, then you&#039;ll need to do so for that year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris &#8212; No, in most cases you only need to declare capital gains if either:</p>
<p>* you go over the annual CGT limit for your total gains (the gains you made from all your profitable share trades, minus the losses from all the loss-making ones, over the year)</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>* if you dispose of assets worth more than four times the annual allowance (i.e. £42,400 for 2011-2012) over the tax year. (Note this is total proceeds, not just profit).</p>
<p>You would not need to declare a £100 capital gain if that was all you made in the year. (I think it&#8217;s useful to think of &#8216;capital gains&#8217; rather than &#8216;profits&#8217; to avoid confusing your thinking with income from other sources).</p>
<p>The gains are reported on supplementary pages of your annual self-assessment form. If you don&#8217;t usually complete one but have made declarable gains, then you&#8217;ll need to do so for that year.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am trying to understand CGT a little better, I am completely new to it. If I make a profit of £10,000 from selling shares, do I still need to complete a CGT form? i.e. I have not gone over my allowance of £10,600 for the year.

If so, do I declare any profit, even as little as £100?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am trying to understand CGT a little better, I am completely new to it. If I make a profit of £10,000 from selling shares, do I still need to complete a CGT form? i.e. I have not gone over my allowance of £10,600 for the year.</p>
<p>If so, do I declare any profit, even as little as £100?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ The Investor - Thanks for your swift reply. I&#039;ll give them a buzz and ask for the relevant forms then, I &#039;spose....

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ The Investor &#8211; Thanks for your swift reply. I&#8217;ll give them a buzz and ask for the relevant forms then, I &#8216;spose&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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