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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2010/03/17/cash-and-your-portfolio/comment-page-1/#comment-80165</link>
		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 10:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephen - Interesting question, to which I don&#039;t have a ready answer as I am always fully invested in my stocks-and-shares ISAs, and haven&#039;t looked across the market at such products for a long time.

In general though, as I understand it, cash-like investments - even funds, like money market funds, and short-dated gilt funds - have to be held in cash ISAs.

In practice you can probably sit in cash for a while on the grounds you&#039;re waiting for an investment opportunity to come up (i.e. cheaper shares!) but you&#039;ll be hit by inflation.

I&#039;d probably explore cautious investment trusts like Personal Assets, but that could still halve in value in a crash.

None of the above is personal advice, just my general thoughts, please remember. I don&#039;t know your circumstances and am not qualified to give advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen &#8211; Interesting question, to which I don&#8217;t have a ready answer as I am always fully invested in my stocks-and-shares ISAs, and haven&#8217;t looked across the market at such products for a long time.</p>
<p>In general though, as I understand it, cash-like investments &#8211; even funds, like money market funds, and short-dated gilt funds &#8211; have to be held in cash ISAs.</p>
<p>In practice you can probably sit in cash for a while on the grounds you&#8217;re waiting for an investment opportunity to come up (i.e. cheaper shares!) but you&#8217;ll be hit by inflation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d probably explore cautious investment trusts like Personal Assets, but that could still halve in value in a crash.</p>
<p>None of the above is personal advice, just my general thoughts, please remember. I don&#8217;t know your circumstances and am not qualified to give advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2010/03/17/cash-and-your-portfolio/comment-page-1/#comment-80163</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 10:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to here how people holding large volumes of cash temporarly in a &#039;share ISA&#039; or SIPP can get a decent return on cash e.g. better than zero. My &#039;share ISA&#039; holdings are all cashed up as I am very worried about the market, yet because of the wrapper I cannot move it all into a savings account. Can any specific fixed interest or indexed linked ETF&#039;s help here without to much risk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to here how people holding large volumes of cash temporarly in a &#8216;share ISA&#8217; or SIPP can get a decent return on cash e.g. better than zero. My &#8216;share ISA&#8217; holdings are all cashed up as I am very worried about the market, yet because of the wrapper I cannot move it all into a savings account. Can any specific fixed interest or indexed linked ETF&#8217;s help here without to much risk?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger, the Amateur Financier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger, the Amateur Financier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not bad; too many investors seem to forget about having cash to help cushion their portfolios, and this is a nice reminder.  Doesn&#039;t have the same flair and pizazz as stocks, but then, that&#039;s part of the point.
.-= Roger, the Amateur Financier on: &lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/theamateurfinancier/cFiv/~3/jtqb-czR3fI/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Classic Sci Fi Can Teach Us About The Future&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not bad; too many investors seem to forget about having cash to help cushion their portfolios, and this is a nice reminder.  Doesn&#8217;t have the same flair and pizazz as stocks, but then, that&#8217;s part of the point.<br />
.-= Roger, the Amateur Financier on: <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/theamateurfinancier/cFiv/~3/jtqb-czR3fI/" rel="nofollow">What Classic Sci Fi Can Teach Us About The Future</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Money Funk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Funk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you answered my question (along with Investor Junkie and Evolution of Wealth and Engineer your Finances) that my cash should go into a High Yield Interest Savings Account. Now I need to scout one out. I love all the information you all feed my brain - Makes me think and hopefully will one day make me wealthier from the info I learn about. :)
.-= Money Funk on: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moneyfunk.net/finances/certificate-of-deposit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Certificate of Deposit: Good Investment?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you answered my question (along with Investor Junkie and Evolution of Wealth and Engineer your Finances) that my cash should go into a High Yield Interest Savings Account. Now I need to scout one out. I love all the information you all feed my brain &#8211; Makes me think and hopefully will one day make me wealthier from the info I learn about. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Money Funk on: <a href="http://www.moneyfunk.net/finances/certificate-of-deposit/" rel="nofollow">Certificate of Deposit: Good Investment?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2010/03/17/cash-and-your-portfolio/comment-page-1/#comment-29128</link>
		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@OldPro - Would not a simpler explanation be that I read his article before posting? ;) (I didn&#039;t, by the way, but I agree with his reasoning. His already said in previous posts that he&#039;s avoiding the long end of the curve and now he&#039;s noting the short-end doesn&#039;t look a bargain, either).

I do read his site though when I remember, I think it&#039;s great. That graph of John Lewis bond yields over the past year is depressing. Alas I spent more time writing about the corporate bond opportunity in early 2009 than actually buying them! :) (Shares did okay, too, though, if not such a historically extreme opportunity).

I don&#039;t see any value in corporate bonds now, though I might end up shifting some money into something like the 5-year RBS royal bond at 5% if equities go much higher. I&#039;m woefully under-diversified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OldPro &#8211; Would not a simpler explanation be that I read his article before posting? <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (I didn&#8217;t, by the way, but I agree with his reasoning. His already said in previous posts that he&#8217;s avoiding the long end of the curve and now he&#8217;s noting the short-end doesn&#8217;t look a bargain, either).</p>
<p>I do read his site though when I remember, I think it&#8217;s great. That graph of John Lewis bond yields over the past year is depressing. Alas I spent more time writing about the corporate bond opportunity in early 2009 than actually buying them! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (Shares did okay, too, though, if not such a historically extreme opportunity).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any value in corporate bonds now, though I might end up shifting some money into something like the 5-year RBS royal bond at 5% if equities go much higher. I&#8217;m woefully under-diversified.</p>
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		<title>By: OldPro</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Glowrey at the Fixed Income site is on the same page this week:

&quot;For investors starting to build new portfolios, the situation is trickier. Reasonable yields of 5% or more can be locked in medium and long-dated corporate bonds, but pickings are slim in the shorter end. This makes it tricky to build up a balanced &quot;ladder&quot; structure of maturities for the portfolio.

This group of investors may be better off utilising some of the fixed-term deposits offered by several of the major banks for the short-end. These products are currently offering 3-4% and offer reasonable value for the shorter duration aspect of a portfolio. &quot;

You are Mark Glowery and I claim my £5!!!

(Here is a link to the whole article) http://www.fixedincomeinvestor.co.uk/x/analysis.html?type=Bond%20of%20the%20Week&amp;cat=Analysis%20%26%20Comment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Glowrey at the Fixed Income site is on the same page this week:</p>
<p>&#8220;For investors starting to build new portfolios, the situation is trickier. Reasonable yields of 5% or more can be locked in medium and long-dated corporate bonds, but pickings are slim in the shorter end. This makes it tricky to build up a balanced &#8220;ladder&#8221; structure of maturities for the portfolio.</p>
<p>This group of investors may be better off utilising some of the fixed-term deposits offered by several of the major banks for the short-end. These products are currently offering 3-4% and offer reasonable value for the shorter duration aspect of a portfolio. &#8221;</p>
<p>You are Mark Glowery and I claim my £5!!!</p>
<p>(Here is a link to the whole article) <a href="http://www.fixedincomeinvestor.co.uk/x/analysis.html?type=Bond%20of%20the%20Week&#038;cat=Analysis%20%26%20Comment" rel="nofollow">http://www.fixedincomeinvestor.co.uk/x/analysis.html?type=Bond%20of%20the%20Week&#038;cat=Analysis%20%26%20Comment</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James - Thanks for your comments. Personally, there will come a time when I&#039;ll buy ten year Government bonds (or more precisely there will come a yield!) but as you say it&#039;s not yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James &#8211; Thanks for your comments. Personally, there will come a time when I&#8217;ll buy ten year Government bonds (or more precisely there will come a yield!) but as you say it&#8217;s not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pkora - As one of those mythical people who owns a few VCTs (I was amused to discover I was near to half the average of the typical investor in VCTs than the other way, when I bought them), my short answer is avoid!

I bought them in a pique with Labour&#039;s profligacy a few years ago, when you still got 40% tax relief and you only had to hold for three years. They&#039;re less attractive now (though there are rumours of a hike up in the relief to come).

Northern are among the best - you could buy some of their VCTs in the secondhand market at 10% tax free yields in the chaos last summer, which gets you an immediate dividend stream but no tax relief. It was tempting but I didn&#039;t want to tie up more of money. 

VCTs are insanely illiquid - you can easily move the price selling just £1K of shares. Best to lock in the yield and throw away the key, at the risk of a slowly depreciating NAV.

Remember, I&#039;m not an adviser, do your own research etc! :)

Re: Falling Sterling, I&#039;ve actually got quite contrary about this and have sold off some of my most obviously dollar related shares in my trading portfolio to reinvest in domestic small caps. As far as I can see my optimism about the UK (relative to the absolute fire and brimstone projections - I&#039;m not saying sunny uplands!) is playing out, and most of the exchange rate related stuff is in the price perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pkora &#8211; As one of those mythical people who owns a few VCTs (I was amused to discover I was near to half the average of the typical investor in VCTs than the other way, when I bought them), my short answer is avoid!</p>
<p>I bought them in a pique with Labour&#8217;s profligacy a few years ago, when you still got 40% tax relief and you only had to hold for three years. They&#8217;re less attractive now (though there are rumours of a hike up in the relief to come).</p>
<p>Northern are among the best &#8211; you could buy some of their VCTs in the secondhand market at 10% tax free yields in the chaos last summer, which gets you an immediate dividend stream but no tax relief. It was tempting but I didn&#8217;t want to tie up more of money. </p>
<p>VCTs are insanely illiquid &#8211; you can easily move the price selling just £1K of shares. Best to lock in the yield and throw away the key, at the risk of a slowly depreciating NAV.</p>
<p>Remember, I&#8217;m not an adviser, do your own research etc! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re: Falling Sterling, I&#8217;ve actually got quite contrary about this and have sold off some of my most obviously dollar related shares in my trading portfolio to reinvest in domestic small caps. As far as I can see my optimism about the UK (relative to the absolute fire and brimstone projections &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying sunny uplands!) is playing out, and most of the exchange rate related stuff is in the price perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RIT - Yes, that&#039;s the sort of strategy I think can work well for private investors, provided you&#039;re prepared to rebalance when the opportunities come. Agree re: cash/rates/inflation (and Lemondy&#039;s similar points). I don&#039;t think it&#039;s realistic to ever expect much more than 1-2% real from cash though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RIT &#8211; Yes, that&#8217;s the sort of strategy I think can work well for private investors, provided you&#8217;re prepared to rebalance when the opportunities come. Agree re: cash/rates/inflation (and Lemondy&#8217;s similar points). I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s realistic to ever expect much more than 1-2% real from cash though.</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lemondy - Okay, if there&#039;s a bank collapse there&#039;s liquidity risk but that&#039;s not (usually!) an everyday/decade/generation event. And as you say it&#039;s possible (perhaps more possible?) with brokers, too. You can turn equities and bonds into cash, but remember there&#039;s a frictional cost of transaction that doesn&#039;t exist with cash.

I think we&#039;re partly having the debate because we&#039;re coming at it from different angles - I think perhaps you mean the normal citizen over-rates/under-rates all those things (even if they don&#039;t know the terminology). I agree most people on the Clapham Omnibus have too much in cash and are underexposed to equities. I&#039;m more talking about sophisticated investors, who I think as I&#039;ve said above have a tendency to over-complicate things and dismiss cash as part of their mix.

Thanks for the follow up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lemondy &#8211; Okay, if there&#8217;s a bank collapse there&#8217;s liquidity risk but that&#8217;s not (usually!) an everyday/decade/generation event. And as you say it&#8217;s possible (perhaps more possible?) with brokers, too. You can turn equities and bonds into cash, but remember there&#8217;s a frictional cost of transaction that doesn&#8217;t exist with cash.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re partly having the debate because we&#8217;re coming at it from different angles &#8211; I think perhaps you mean the normal citizen over-rates/under-rates all those things (even if they don&#8217;t know the terminology). I agree most people on the Clapham Omnibus have too much in cash and are underexposed to equities. I&#8217;m more talking about sophisticated investors, who I think as I&#8217;ve said above have a tendency to over-complicate things and dismiss cash as part of their mix.</p>
<p>Thanks for the follow up!</p>
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		<title>By: Lemondy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lemondy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Landsbanki went ker-boom Icesave-savers didn&#039;t get access to their cash for a couple months.  That&#039;s the liquidity risk.  A&#039;course, brokers can go ker-boom too and the same could happen to my nominee account.  Provided my broker is a going concern, I&#039;m able to turn my equities and bonds into cash in a few days; this is the same order of magnitude as with fixed term cash deposits.  (Heck, maybe even faster depending on what bank you&#039;re dealing with!)

I do agree with most of what you&#039;ve written.  But I think people generally overrate liquidity of cash against other assets classes, overestimate the real return, and vastly underestimate the inflation risk.  The &quot;insurance&quot; value of govt bonds still does it for me above all other fixed income assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Landsbanki went ker-boom Icesave-savers didn&#8217;t get access to their cash for a couple months.  That&#8217;s the liquidity risk.  A&#8217;course, brokers can go ker-boom too and the same could happen to my nominee account.  Provided my broker is a going concern, I&#8217;m able to turn my equities and bonds into cash in a few days; this is the same order of magnitude as with fixed term cash deposits.  (Heck, maybe even faster depending on what bank you&#8217;re dealing with!)</p>
<p>I do agree with most of what you&#8217;ve written.  But I think people generally overrate liquidity of cash against other assets classes, overestimate the real return, and vastly underestimate the inflation risk.  The &#8220;insurance&#8221; value of govt bonds still does it for me above all other fixed income assets.</p>
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