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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2009/11/05/the-unseen-assets-on-your-balance-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-14606</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, OldPro - Actually, &quot;A Weak US Dollar Doesn&#039;t Matter Folks!&quot; is an article written this past week as a response to your comment.  I don&#039;t want to keep linking articles out of respect to the host, so you can have a read over at my site.  

It&#039;s all pretty simple.  Especially since the good times are back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, OldPro &#8211; Actually, &#8220;A Weak US Dollar Doesn&#8217;t Matter Folks!&#8221; is an article written this past week as a response to your comment.  I don&#8217;t want to keep linking articles out of respect to the host, so you can have a read over at my site.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all pretty simple.  Especially since the good times are back.</p>
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		<title>By: OldPro</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2009/11/05/the-unseen-assets-on-your-balance-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-14599</link>
		<dc:creator>OldPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Financial Samurai, don&#039;t overblow your point (I perused your article). Cash is the only hard asset, though if you&#039;re an American (or a subject of PM Bungling Brown) your cash is cheaper now. It&#039;s not all about inflation, on a global scale.

Where then? Gold? I&#039;m old enough to remember the last time. And there are times when property holds it value when cash does not.

We are quickly reinventing asset allocation, as you see. And that is why all financial advisors, except sword-toting bunny rabbits, would consider all assets on a balance sheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Financial Samurai, don&#8217;t overblow your point (I perused your article). Cash is the only hard asset, though if you&#8217;re an American (or a subject of PM Bungling Brown) your cash is cheaper now. It&#8217;s not all about inflation, on a global scale.</p>
<p>Where then? Gold? I&#8217;m old enough to remember the last time. And there are times when property holds it value when cash does not.</p>
<p>We are quickly reinventing asset allocation, as you see. And that is why all financial advisors, except sword-toting bunny rabbits, would consider all assets on a balance sheet.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2009/11/05/the-unseen-assets-on-your-balance-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-14565</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB - Canada is still a foreign country, so the cost of shipping is the same!

Monevator - I&#039;m so pumped, I can&#039;t stand it!  We&#039;re back to 2007 peak level earnings, with 10-20% less people to pay in my industry.

Hiring will be ROBUST next year for sure.

FS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB &#8211; Canada is still a foreign country, so the cost of shipping is the same!</p>
<p>Monevator &#8211; I&#8217;m so pumped, I can&#8217;t stand it!  We&#8217;re back to 2007 peak level earnings, with 10-20% less people to pay in my industry.</p>
<p>Hiring will be ROBUST next year for sure.</p>
<p>FS</p>
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		<title>By: FB @ FabulouslyBroke.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>FB @ FabulouslyBroke.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see.. :) So it&#039;s a bit like what I&#039;m doing right now.

I get contracts here and there (not a full-time job), and a couple of months is enough to pay for a whole year of expenses and savings

But in between contracts (like now), I have a lot of downtime to do whatever I like without stressing out.

The great thing, is I can also pick and choose my contracts, which was not allowed when I was a consultant for a corporation. 

Such a great bonus.

I don&#039;t think I could actually retire completely, but I wouldn&#039;t be doing the same job as I am doing now.

I&#039;ll probably end up in something else. Maybe blogging more seriously as &quot;Grandma in a Stone House&quot; or something.
@Samurai: No, wire ME the stuff. :P He&#039;s in England, it&#039;ll be cheaper to send it to Canada, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see.. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So it&#8217;s a bit like what I&#8217;m doing right now.</p>
<p>I get contracts here and there (not a full-time job), and a couple of months is enough to pay for a whole year of expenses and savings</p>
<p>But in between contracts (like now), I have a lot of downtime to do whatever I like without stressing out.</p>
<p>The great thing, is I can also pick and choose my contracts, which was not allowed when I was a consultant for a corporation. </p>
<p>Such a great bonus.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I could actually retire completely, but I wouldn&#8217;t be doing the same job as I am doing now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably end up in something else. Maybe blogging more seriously as &#8220;Grandma in a Stone House&#8221; or something.<br />
@Samurai: No, wire ME the stuff. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  He&#8217;s in England, it&#8217;ll be cheaper to send it to Canada, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2009/11/05/the-unseen-assets-on-your-balance-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-14547</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much agree with the point being made here.

One I think you might be leaving out is the dollar value of learning and experience, especially if you are the sort of person who has the skills needed to transform learning and experience into an income-generating business at some point. Person A who is putting in time at a job is not as wealthy as Person B who is being paid less and who has less in the way of hard assets but who is sharpening his skills for the day when he will cash in through participation in an entrepreneurial venture.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much agree with the point being made here.</p>
<p>One I think you might be leaving out is the dollar value of learning and experience, especially if you are the sort of person who has the skills needed to transform learning and experience into an income-generating business at some point. Person A who is putting in time at a job is not as wealthy as Person B who is being paid less and who has less in the way of hard assets but who is sharpening his skills for the day when he will cash in through participation in an entrepreneurial venture.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: London, house prices at the top end are rising again, but that&#039;s partly because the Pound (sterling) has plunged. Combined with price drops, the super-rich and rootless who love living here were getting say a 60% discount in non-sterling terms compared to mid-2007 for their Kensington flats, until prices recovered a bit.

Friends in the City (yes, despite best efforts I have a couple ;) ) are definitely feeling chipper. I wouldn&#039;t say anyone else is excited as such though. Not yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: London, house prices at the top end are rising again, but that&#8217;s partly because the Pound (sterling) has plunged. Combined with price drops, the super-rich and rootless who love living here were getting say a 60% discount in non-sterling terms compared to mid-2007 for their Kensington flats, until prices recovered a bit.</p>
<p>Friends in the City (yes, despite best efforts I have a couple <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) are definitely feeling chipper. I wouldn&#8217;t say anyone else is excited as such though. Not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2009/11/05/the-unseen-assets-on-your-balance-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-14525</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, is London rocking and rolling again given the stock markets and huge bonuses which are going to be paid out to thousands of employees this year?

Do you sense the excitement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, is London rocking and rolling again given the stock markets and huge bonuses which are going to be paid out to thousands of employees this year?</p>
<p>Do you sense the excitement?</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://monevator.com/2009/11/05/the-unseen-assets-on-your-balance-sheet/comment-page-1/#comment-14524</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done!  Can&#039;t wait to get rid of these assets and be free!  What&#039;s your address? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done!  Can&#8217;t wait to get rid of these assets and be free!  What&#8217;s your address? <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough! Send me your illusionary stock certificates and worthless property deeds, and I&#039;ll wire you £50 to cover postage and your time! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough! Send me your illusionary stock certificates and worthless property deeds, and I&#8217;ll wire you £50 to cover postage and your time! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to disagree 100% with you old chap!  As the downturn has so handily demonstrated, property and stocks are an Illusion!  The only think that counts towards your net worth is CASH, and that even could be subject to risk due to inflation (which I think none exists).

I think you&#039;ll agree with me after you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.financialsamurai.com/2009/09/18/your-net-worth-is-an-illusion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;You&#039;re Net Worth Is an Illusion - Sorry To Spoil Your Delusion!&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.

Zillow told me I&#039;m $400,000 wealthier last month.  If that really were the case, I&#039;d be popping up some Crystal and getting me one of them new Audi R8 V10&#039;s! :)

Best,

FS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to disagree 100% with you old chap!  As the downturn has so handily demonstrated, property and stocks are an Illusion!  The only think that counts towards your net worth is CASH, and that even could be subject to risk due to inflation (which I think none exists).</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll agree with me after you read <a href="http://www.financialsamurai.com/2009/09/18/your-net-worth-is-an-illusion/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;You&#8217;re Net Worth Is an Illusion &#8211; Sorry To Spoil Your Delusion!&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Zillow told me I&#8217;m $400,000 wealthier last month.  If that really were the case, I&#8217;d be popping up some Crystal and getting me one of them new Audi R8 V10&#8217;s! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>FS</p>
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		<title>By: The Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments guys! 

On the property issue, I agree property isn&#039;t the same as very liquid assets (I don&#039;t mean wine here, Dan ;) ) but that doesn&#039;t make it less of an asset, it just makes it a less liquid one. I don&#039;t know what my shares will be worth tomorrow - the market could crash - but I know what they are worth right now. Yes, there&#039;s also the opacity of pricing of housing, but this is largely a short-term thing. if I had an envelope with £10 or £20 in it that you could buy for £5 and you had every reason to trust me, I&#039;m sure you&#039;d agree the envelope would be worth owning.

In the US, where you can walk away from negative equity, a house seems to me an incredible thing to own - an option on the house market, with no downside risk except the cost of holding.

I&#039;ll do a post on this at some point. I&#039;m not being obstinate for the sake of it, and I appreciate some people like to think of it as separate from their assets for psychological reasons, but as Dan says, objectively it&#039;s undeniable. (Send me the deeds to your home if you disagree. You can keep staying there until you pay the mortgage off! :) )

FB, I&#039;m not trying to be dryly witty, that&#039;s me writing straight-up heartfelt, soulful prose. Now I know why the kids all laugh at me. ;)

Anyway, on the retirement issue my current feeling is I won&#039;t retire. I may well wind down to doing something that only takes a day a week spread over three and earns diddly-squat, but I think it&#039;s better to feel you&#039;re doing something. When I sold out of my start-up (for no profit) a couple of years ago, I allowed myself the freedom to do nothing if I wanted. That&#039;s what I ended up doing. There are also stats on how people die soon after retiring etc.

Keeping in mind I haven&#039;t had a regular salaried job for over ten years (discounting the start-up years, which were decidedly irregular), I don&#039;t think as things stand they&#039;ll be a big change. Still quite a long way off though, I hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments guys! </p>
<p>On the property issue, I agree property isn&#8217;t the same as very liquid assets (I don&#8217;t mean wine here, Dan <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) but that doesn&#8217;t make it less of an asset, it just makes it a less liquid one. I don&#8217;t know what my shares will be worth tomorrow &#8211; the market could crash &#8211; but I know what they are worth right now. Yes, there&#8217;s also the opacity of pricing of housing, but this is largely a short-term thing. if I had an envelope with £10 or £20 in it that you could buy for £5 and you had every reason to trust me, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d agree the envelope would be worth owning.</p>
<p>In the US, where you can walk away from negative equity, a house seems to me an incredible thing to own &#8211; an option on the house market, with no downside risk except the cost of holding.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do a post on this at some point. I&#8217;m not being obstinate for the sake of it, and I appreciate some people like to think of it as separate from their assets for psychological reasons, but as Dan says, objectively it&#8217;s undeniable. (Send me the deeds to your home if you disagree. You can keep staying there until you pay the mortgage off! <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>FB, I&#8217;m not trying to be dryly witty, that&#8217;s me writing straight-up heartfelt, soulful prose. Now I know why the kids all laugh at me. <img src='http://monevator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, on the retirement issue my current feeling is I won&#8217;t retire. I may well wind down to doing something that only takes a day a week spread over three and earns diddly-squat, but I think it&#8217;s better to feel you&#8217;re doing something. When I sold out of my start-up (for no profit) a couple of years ago, I allowed myself the freedom to do nothing if I wanted. That&#8217;s what I ended up doing. There are also stats on how people die soon after retiring etc.</p>
<p>Keeping in mind I haven&#8217;t had a regular salaried job for over ten years (discounting the start-up years, which were decidedly irregular), I don&#8217;t think as things stand they&#8217;ll be a big change. Still quite a long way off though, I hope!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gravell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gravell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This made me check the value of my cellar compared to my portfolio. Currently it&#039;s about 10% which is way more than I&#039;d allow in my portfolio, say, for commodities! My total purchases of wine over the past five years amount to about 33% of my current portfolio value. You&#039;re right, sometimes there are assets hidden in unexpected places!

About the property thing - objectively you are correct. However, in reality there are a lot more constraints on house trading. It&#039;s not just a case of it being an illiquid asset, it&#039;s also the fact that property tends to be controlled by, and have an interest of, all people living therein, whereas the trading of liquid securities tends to be governed by one individual in a family/household unit. They aren&#039;t tradeable on anything like the same level.

Oh and finally:

&quot;Children can enrich your life in many ways, but since slavery was abolished their cash value has been curtailed – economically-speaking, they’re cost centres.&quot;

Great sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made me check the value of my cellar compared to my portfolio. Currently it&#8217;s about 10% which is way more than I&#8217;d allow in my portfolio, say, for commodities! My total purchases of wine over the past five years amount to about 33% of my current portfolio value. You&#8217;re right, sometimes there are assets hidden in unexpected places!</p>
<p>About the property thing &#8211; objectively you are correct. However, in reality there are a lot more constraints on house trading. It&#8217;s not just a case of it being an illiquid asset, it&#8217;s also the fact that property tends to be controlled by, and have an interest of, all people living therein, whereas the trading of liquid securities tends to be governed by one individual in a family/household unit. They aren&#8217;t tradeable on anything like the same level.</p>
<p>Oh and finally:</p>
<p>&#8220;Children can enrich your life in many ways, but since slavery was abolished their cash value has been curtailed – economically-speaking, they’re cost centres.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great sentence.</p>
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